AIBU to think the Adam male contraceptive implant could be beneficial if they can develop it without bad side effects?

I think men are far less interested in domestic life, and having children than women and the birth rate is already low. So I think you've dramatically overstated it, but basically yes.

I don't know how widespread paternity fraud is and the percentages vary widely depending on who does the study, but over the years there have been many threads were the thread is 'I don't know who the father is'. Some with dates etc. but its all a guess.
But surely any way of reducing it to as close to zero as possible is a good thing?

Why are we focusing on developing male contraception with no side effects when we have bad side effects for women. Can’t we sort that as well? Why do men get the better deal??

No not all but far too many are.
There was a study years ago that asked men if they would rape a woman if they knew that they could get away with it and about 75% said no. Then they asked about having sex with an unconscious woman, a woman who changes her mind and multiple other rape scenarios that dont involve a stranger without calling it rape and guess what over 50% would rape a girlfriend or wife because they don't see it as rape.
I'm off out in a bit but will try and find that study later for you to read

Yes I agree with that.

And if people really can't trust the person that they are in a LTR with, then the problems run deeper than contraception.

If we mive away from extremes and ONS, ee arrive at where most people are, fertile people in a LTR who do not want to conceive (maybe not now or ever [again]).

The issue with hormonal contraception is that it takes a physical toll on women. At some point in your long term relationship, you might want to stop experiencing those side effects (that can change as your body changes/ages) and for your male partner to be able to take the load on this front.

Vasectomy isn't always an option because it might not be that you don't want to ever conceive, you just don't want to conceive right now.

This is where a mid to long term option for men would benefit couples/families.

Why would the availability of a male pill stop a woman from taking her own precautions?

Why is the trust only for the man.

I agree with a charge of 'rape by deception' but that would have to work both ways- if a woman intentionally gets pregnant than the man shouldn't be held responsible.

Which is ridiculous.

Both sexes having a non condom option (because in long term relationships condoms are not the best means of BC) has got to be better.

If you want a discussion then all points are valid.
Many posters have put forward negative views towardrs men, so why are you so averse to posters putting forward negative views about women.
Some women lie, shou we be ignoring that?
The truth is that a viable male contraceptive would generally be a good thiing for both sexes.
But both sexes could have negative views about it for both positive and negative reasons.

Not really. Quality of life is an acceptable benefit for many surgeries/treatments. It may have to be argued that the financial loss/existence of a child would reduce his QoL, but I think if we are objective, that is pretty easy.

From my armchair non-lawyer perspective, I'd look for precedence in cases where person was stopped from using the genetic material of an ex partner after they split.

Women cant make a man wear a condom and whilst she can say no it doesn't mean that the man will accept that no.

That would be rape. If you really believe that all men are rapists then this is a pointless conversation.

I agree the CMS needs a overhaul.

The only control women would lose is the chance to conceive when they want. The availability of a male implant would not stop women from preventing their own pregnancy.

Both partners take the implant.

How are there downsides to that?

Sure, but that would require a change to the whole way we do medicine currently. Not saying it can't be don't but it doesn't seem to be the suggestion anywhere.

Whether its a pill or an implant is irrelevant we would still be trusting a man to tell the truth about being on it and remember to get it replaced when needed.
Maybe im jaded but it's far to big a risk for women unless they changed the law to make a man lieing about using adam/any male contraceptive rape by deception in the same way stealthing is and had much harsher consequences for them.

What would be good is if drs spent their time and energy on fixing the problems with the female contraceptive 1st

That's why you'd have to base the incentive around the detriment to his quality of life. At best, he will suffer financially from the birth of an unplanned child. That is the risk that you would have to compare to any side effects.

If women are so afraid of losing control then they can continue to take contraceptives.
But this would also prevent those happy little acidents.
And I wonder how many women are worried that affairs could be found out and that current partners would know that the children are not theirs?

I don't see how it can be anything other than a good thing? Both partners taking responsibility for their own fertility. The point about women not being able to trust men saying they have it - if that's the situation in your relationship, or it's a short term/casual thing you should also be thinking about STDs and taking your own measures. No different from now other than giving men an additional option to prevent being responsible for unwanted pregnancies.

No men don't have to trust women, they have the choice to put a condom on or refuse sex.
Women cant make a man wear a condom and whilst she can say no it doesn't mean that the man will accept that no.
As for the financial costs for 18 years the cms system is set up to allow men to avoid paying for their children with no real repercussions for them.
Ofcourse women are afraid of loosing control of our fertility when we are the ones whos bodies and life are being put at risk in pregnancy and child birth

I found this video helpful for understanding the risk issue:

And this on how medical risk benefit is weighed up in terms of testing:

Surely the bet contraception you could develop would be one that made people 100% responsible financially and care wise for their children. Money take at source through HMRC including looking at self employed earnings/dividends.

I would love a survey be done on a massive group of men to see if they would take this implant. Happy to be proven wrong but I think many men wouldn’t chose to have children especially if they had t o pay/care for them properly. Currently there isn’t really any significant impact for a man that gets a woman pregnant, that’s what needs to change.

That's really not how they're thinking about it.

I don't have the numbers right now but if for example the pill increases relative risk of blood clots by 2x but pregnancy increases the risk by 4x, then there is a clear advantage for a woman who wants sex to take the pill to avoid both pregnancy and decrease the blood clot risk associated with that. Pregnancy is a risky time for women, contraceptive means women can choose how often to take that risk.

For men, if a contraceptive increased the relative blood clot risk 2x, there is no pregnancy or other risk to offset that.

Hence, different handling of risks in men vs women. It's why we don't give everyone things like statins, because there are risks that are only considered worth it if there is high enough cholesterol to start with.