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AIBU to think it was never that complicated to define a woman.

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Abisequer · 26/03/2026 14:51

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has ruled that eligibility for the women’s category of Olympic events will now be limited to biological females, starting from the LA 2028 Games.

AIBU to think the category ‘women’ was never complicated and the obfuscation by certain governing bodies has compromised fairness in sport for women.

Examples of obfuscation include claims that genital checking would be needed or that biological men with lowered testosterone would be on an even playing field with biological women.

AIBU to think it was never complicated to define a woman and a cheek swab is all it takes.

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Transgender women banned from female Olympic events in new IOC ruling

The International Olympic Committee has ruled that eligibility for the women’s category will now be limited to biological females

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/transgender-ban-ioc-female-category-gender-eligibility-b2946193.html

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Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 16:06

Here is the statement:

https://www.olympics.com/ioc/news/international-olympic-committee-announces-new-policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-women-s-category-in-olympic-sport

here is the policy

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/International-Olympic-Committee/EB/policy/policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-category-english.pdf

THE POLICY

For the purpose of this Policy, the IOC has adopted the consensus definitions of the Working Group, which are set out in Schedule 1.
For all disciplines on the Sports Programme of an IOC Event, including individual and team sports, eligibility for any Female Category is limited to Biological Females.

Eligibility for the Female Category is to be determined in the first instance by SRY Gene screening to detect the absence or presence of the SRY Gene. On the basis of the scientific evidence, the IOC considers that the SRY Gene is fixed throughout life and represents highly accurate evidence that an athlete has experienced or will experience Male sex development. Furthermore, the IOC considers that SRY Gene screening via saliva, cheek swab or blood sample is unintrusive compared to other possible methods.
Athletes who screen negative for the SRY gene permanently satisfy this Policy’s eligibility criteria for competition in the Female Category. Unless there is reason to believe a negative reading is in error, this will be a once-in-a-lifetime test.

With the exception of athletes with a diagnosis of CAIS or other rare DSDs that do not benefit from the anabolic and/or performance-enhancing effects of testosterone, no athlete with an SRY-positive screen is eligible for competition in the Female Category.

Athletes with an SRY-positive screen, including XY transgender and androgen-sensitive XY-DSD athletes, continue to be included in all other classifications for which they qualify, for example, they are eligible for (i) any Male Category, including in a designated Male slot within any mixed category, and (ii) any open category or in sports and events that do not classify athletes by Sex.

The IOC recognises that XY athletes who identify as women and who want the opportunity to compete at IOC Events according to their legal sex or gender identity may disagree with this Policy. However, after a thorough scientific review and consultations with constituents of the Olympic Movement, the IOC determined that a Sex-based eligibility rule is necessary and adequate to the attainment of the IOC’s goals for competition at IOC Events.

This is under the definitions section:

Sex: Either of the two categories, Male or Female, into which humans are divided according to their reproductive biology.

Biological Female (Female): An individual who, regardless of their legal sex or gender identity, experienced female sex development usually based on their XX-chromosomes, ovaries, and estrogenic hormones.

Biological Male (Male): An individual who, regardless of their legal sex or gender identity, experienced male sex development usually based on their XY-chromosomes, testes/testicles and androgenic hormones.

Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 16:04

A recap of the timeline to get to this point:

Specific dates leading up to the cessation of sex testing were:

1992 - Dr. Arne Ljungqvist becomes a member of the IOC and continue5 to date an educational program to inform the IOC about scientific and ethical issues related to laboratory-based gender verification.

1996 - Most major professional medical societies have passed resolutions against chromosome-based gender screening in sports.

1996-1997 - IOC World Congress on Woman and Sport passes a resolution to abandon gender verification at the Olympics. Women's Sports Foundation
publishes a policy statement against blanket chromosome screening in support of IAAF model. The Norwegian parliament outlaws gender verification in sport. The IOC Medical Commission is unconvinced and the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games is contractually committed to on-site, laboratory-based, gender veritication of all female althletes competing in women's events.

1997-1998 - Arguments for and against change are presented to the IOC Athlete5 Commission by Professor A. Liungqvist and Dr. B. Dingeon, respectively. Prince de Merode and Dr. Hay argue for their original policy of blanket gender verification at IOC-sponsored sporting events. Athletes
Commission nonetheless calls for the discontinuation of the present system and rccommenda replacing it with a "reserve clause" system based on IOC Medical Commission intervention on an individualized basis, following scientific and ethical guidelines.

1999 - IOC Executive Board accepts unanimous recommendations of its Athletes Commission. Blanket gender verification screening of all female
athletes will not be conducted at the 2000 Millennia1 Games in Sydney, on a conditional basis for later review.

Importantly, for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics they surveyed the female athletes and found:

"At the time of testing, all female athletes at the Atlanta Games were offered a questionnaire written in both English and French asking whether in their view testing of females should be continued in future Olympics and whether or not
they were made anxious by the testing procedure. Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued and 94% indicated that they were not made anxious by the procedure. Forty-six athletes were made "anxious" by the testing requirements that preceded their competitive events.
No males were found to masquerade as females, and all females who were found to be SRY positive competed."

"Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued"

They didn't listen to female athletes it seems.

And then this is my own summary of the next 15 year's decisions ...

1999 - From what I gather, from the Nature article is that a campaign group successfully convinced the IOC in the late 90s to prioritise inclusion. Because of what they position was the human rights violation of these male athletes with DSDs suffering indignities during testing and the outcomes of that testing.
So in the 1999 the OIC removed testing. 82% of female athletes wanted testing to remain.

Ie. My understanding is that the group campaigned that any male with a Difference of Sex Development that had been incorrectly registered as 'female' on their passport was to never be sex tested by the IOC again and allowed to compete as if they were female, regardless of whether they had gone through male puberty.

www.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045542&CJEVENT=f4d4c8630a0411ed831b01a80a1c0e11

2004 - Then in 2004 they allowed male people who surgically removed their testes to compete in female competition. Because once you allow one group of male people in, you must equally allow the other in or you are discriminating against transgender people.

https://olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-approves-consensus-with-regard-to-athletes-who-have-changed-sex-1

2015 -Then in 2015, a campaign group including Harper, using Harper’s flawed study (see nequals8.com web site) convinces the IOC that it is unfair discrimination to exclude any male with a transgender identity describing themselves as a woman. The IOC changes the policy to allow them.

https://nequals8.com
^https://cgscholar.com/bookstore/works/race-times-for-transgender-athletes^
https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

2016 -Then came the Rio trio in the female 800m and we start to see the testosterone suppression of the male people with DSDs come in. Semenya takes this to court in 2019. Appealed 2020. The evidence presented confirmed 5ARD and testosterone of 21 nmol/L.

2021 - 2020 Tokyo games held in 2021 was the testosterone suppressed games. Hubbard, a late 40 something male in female event where next youngest was probably a decade and a half younger, shines light on the issue.
The IOC reacts by announcing a review.

The new guidelines released Nov 2021 devolve responsibility for policy to each discipline’s international federation. ie. They force the sporting federations to make the hard decisions that the IOC refuse to make.

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Human-Rights/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf#_ga=2.219716894.621299853.1686571450-594927581.1678187184

They also reaffirm that 'inclusivity' is their over all priority. They say that safety is as well, but this is clearly contradictory when you consider boxing as an example.

The IOC is clear that they RECOGNISE that the inclusion of male athletes will be UNFAIR but their priority is inclusion. Richard Budgett said this.

The federations then develop their own policies. that have done this are : FINA, WA, UCI, IBA and WR. FIFA for instance announced a review years ago and done nothing. IBA announced their new policy in 22/23.

The WA have even stated that their new guidelines for the Olympics immediately excluded 13 males with DSDs with testosterone advantage from the competitions until those 13 male athletes chose to reduce their testosterone to 2.5 nmol/L for 2 years. 13 just in athletics competitions alone! (By the way, this reduction has already been shown to not eliminate unfair male advantage, but this is where we are at the moment.)

The IOC and other organisations still claimed that Semenya is a 'female with naturally high testosterone' to this day. Despite the world being easily able to find the evidence presented to the CAS that Semenya is MALE with 5-ARD and had tested with a testosterone level of 21nmol/L. NO female has that level and is healthy. They are likely to be gravely ill.

That is where we are now.

here is the 2026 policy

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/International-Olympic-Committee/EB/policy/policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-category-english.pdf

N=8

https://nequals8.com

EasternStandard · 26/03/2026 16:00

Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 16:00

I agree that the term 'banned' needs to stop being used.

Male athletes can compete in the male categories. They are not included in the female sports categories.

Yep

Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 16:00

Abisequer · 26/03/2026 14:59

The ship is definitely turning.

Although the reporting needs to stop using the words banned.

Being kind is not compromising women’s fairness and safety in any respect.

I agree that the term 'banned' needs to stop being used.

Male athletes can compete in the male categories. They are not included in the female sports categories.

EasternStandard · 26/03/2026 15:56

stripesandspotsanddots · 26/03/2026 15:25

YABU not to take this feast of self-congratulation over to FWR.

Most women will be happy about this, why would anyone not be?

yanbu op

Abisequer · 26/03/2026 15:56

I always find the ones telling me not to talk about issues that affect women in sport are the ones that can’t see beyond their own self interest.

They are the type that have their own needs and will trample over women as a sex class in self interest.

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PrettyLilacs · 26/03/2026 15:54

stripesandspotsanddots · 26/03/2026 15:25

YABU not to take this feast of self-congratulation over to FWR.

It belongs here, the busiest board on a predominantly women’s forum.

Abisequer · 26/03/2026 15:50

I’d be interested in hearing from the 7% that think it hasn’t been over complicated.

What is complicated about a cheek swab and male and female categories?

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maltravers · 26/03/2026 15:42

stripesandspotsanddots · 26/03/2026 15:25

YABU not to take this feast of self-congratulation over to FWR.

Attempting to silence women fighting back against the removal of their rights - we see you.

Womblingmerrily · 26/03/2026 15:30

@stripesandspotsanddots

This is a massive issue for any person who likes sports, plays sports, have children who play sports.

It belongs here.

Abisequer · 26/03/2026 15:28

stripesandspotsanddots · 26/03/2026 15:25

YABU not to take this feast of self-congratulation over to FWR.

Give me one reason why women should have lost achievements to biological men? It is outrageous.

You will not silence us.

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stripesandspotsanddots · 26/03/2026 15:25

YABU not to take this feast of self-congratulation over to FWR.

jeaux90 · 26/03/2026 15:25

Yes and the reason why they stopped cheek swabs in 1999 I don’t think was very clear.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 26/03/2026 15:21

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Abisequer · 26/03/2026 15:17

After the Rio 2016 Olympics the issue of athletes with a Disorder of Sexual Development (sometimes called a Difference of Sexual Development) or DSD came to the fore. In the women’s 800m three male athletes with DSDs won Gold, Silver and Bronze. The three women who were placed fourth, fifth and sixth in the event were cheated out of their rightful medals by sports’ governing bodies and the International Olympic Committee that had failed to protect the fairness and integrity of female categories.

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damelza · 26/03/2026 15:14

When it is all sorted eventually, the whole ideology will be looked upon as pure collective madness on behalf of brainwashed and inculcated people.

maltravers · 26/03/2026 15:08

IdaGlossop · 26/03/2026 15:01

This and guides and brownies this week. Double win. Even so, I am still in a daze that intelligent people in their millions convinced themselves for several years that gender could trump sex.

Possibly this “being convinced” might relate to (1) wanting to keep their jobs (2) wanting to shine their halos (3) not wanting to wade through the doublespeak, threats and craziness that someone else would hopefully sort out.

Womblingmerrily · 26/03/2026 15:04

It's more a giant brick wall that needs taking down one brick at a time.

Eventually when enough bricks are gone, it falls completely.

We just need to keep on going. HEAVE!!!

maltravers · 26/03/2026 15:04

It was never complicated, but previously it was politically convenient to pretend it was and to ignore the trolling and brow beating of, and unfairness to, women. This seems to be changing at last, thank goodness.

IdaGlossop · 26/03/2026 15:01

This and guides and brownies this week. Double win. Even so, I am still in a daze that intelligent people in their millions convinced themselves for several years that gender could trump sex.

Abisequer · 26/03/2026 14:59

damelza · 26/03/2026 14:57

Are things changing at last. The ship is turning around I think.

The ship is definitely turning.

Although the reporting needs to stop using the words banned.

Being kind is not compromising women’s fairness and safety in any respect.

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 26/03/2026 14:57

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damelza · 26/03/2026 14:57

Are things changing at last. The ship is turning around I think.

Abisequer · 26/03/2026 14:57

And they still try and sensationalise it with the headline ‘banned'

Why not say what it is, Men will have to compete with men from now on and they will be checked with a definitive DNA check in case they are lying.

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Arlanymor · 26/03/2026 14:56

My mum and I had the XX XY conversation over the weekend.

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