AIBU to think it was never that complicated to define a woman.

They're not even worth acknowledging. You're right, it's an immature self interest and more and more people are recognising that.

This thread is refreshing, it's been a crazy ten (plus) years with so very much damage done to women and girls, while sane people observed in horror and disbelief, and I'm glad it's finally coming to an end.

World Swimming tried introducing a category for trans identifying athletes.

It had zero entries.

Sad times.

There isn't, really, since all trans people are male or female and can compete with others of their own sex. It's not difficult at all, as you know very well.

Still, if trans people want to create and set up their own category that's fine. (Records are meaningless if not recorded accurately by sex, though.) Nobody is stopping them. That option was always roundly rejected though, and you can see not one of the sobbing, raging TRAs right now is suggesting it. It's got to be women's categories and spaces, and you know that too.

Its a difficult one, this is the correct answer & it should never have been in dispute

but surely there is an argument for trans categories.

I think stonewall have a lot of power & thats why its all debated and trying to put acceptance as standard

Has anyone checked in on Pink News?

I will always remember Semenya saying that Lynsey just didn't work hard enough.

That is really one fucked up position from a person who has known for years that they were male and had masculinised.

All my sympathies lie with the women like Lynsey Sharp, cheated out of medals and places in Olympic history by men like Semenya.

Nobody is ‘banned’ and the media doing the usual ‘what about the poor men’ can just fuck right off.

https://x.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1995529404282220682?s=20

Of course it's never been complicated as everyone knows that men have considerable physical advantages over women and that the men who compete in women's sports are cheats.

Well that adorable dog did have a go in the winter olympics!

It was never complicated

Just some, and these were be far mostly male, wanted to dictate to females and set the rules to suit themselves

Something we woman, females, are used to as it happens in so many areas of our lives starting from when we are children

No, it’s not complicated at all. Biological females have a vagina. Biological males have a penis.

No need for any more thought than that.

I identify as faster than Usain Bolt. It doesn't matter that every measure shows I'm not, you can't erase me like that. Slow shitty runners are Olympic sprinters, slow shitty runners are Olympic sprinters. You can't narrow down the definition of Olympic sprinters, you need to be kind and inclusive. Olympic sprinter means slow shitty runner. Now give me my gold medal. Don't go giving me a bronze medal and telling me bronze medals are gold medals...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cdj7dgvlj0no

In a reflection of just how sensitive an area of policy this has become, the IOC has traditionally left it to international sports to decide on eligibility criteria for female competition. But in a major shift in policy, all federations will now be expected to follow suit

Oh happy days

It was never difficult to know who was male / female. It was always "Emperor's new clothes"

And I feel people becoming more confident to speak out against Stonewall trans policies, now debunked

It is. It is very much activist led with the same names appearing in those early changes Particularly Dr. Arne Ljungqvist.

Not at all. It was much less physically intrusive that drug testing, for starters.

''Feast of self congratulation'' ??

🙄
What a bitter and unpleasant response to a step towards a world where a man pretending to be a woman can't step into a boxing ring and beat the shit out of an actual woman.

This part is also interesting as a summary:

Performance Advantage:

o Consistent with the functional effects of higher circulating testosterone levels, Males have larger and stronger skeletal muscle and bone, larger and stronger hearts, larger lung size, more red blood cells, and lower body fat than Females trained to the equivalent level.
Together these attributes afford Males individual sex-based performance advantages in sports and events that rely on strength, power and/or endurance.

o Female athletes experience performance disadvantages relative to Males, associated with Female anatomy and physiology, that contribute to overall Male performance advantage in sports and events that rely on strength, power and/or endurance. These disadvantages may include, for example, the menstrual cycle, gestation and anatomical differences such as periodic ligament laxity (looseness), wider hips and more breast tissue.

o XY Transgender athletes and athletes with certain XY differences/disorders in sex development (DSD) (as defined in Schedule 1) have anatomical and physiological advantages in line with being Male even as their legal sex, the manner in which they were raised, and/or their gender identity may vary. XY transgender athletes and athletes with XY-DSD typically have testes/testicles and testosterone levels in the Male range. The clear majority are androgen-sensitive, meaning that their bodies are receptive to and make use of that testosterone during growth and development and throughout their athletic career.

o Androgen-sensitive XY-DSD and XY Transgender athletes retain Male performance advantage due in part to training effects and fixed traits. There is no current evidence that testosterone suppression or gender-affirming hormone treatment eliminates this advantage.

o XY-DSD athletes with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) (defined in Schedule 1) and other rare XY DSDs that do not benefit from the anabolic and/or performance-enhancing effects of testosterone should, on that basis, be included in the Female Category.

• Magnitude of Advantage: At the elite level, the magnitude of the Male performance advantage is different depending on the sport or event:

o There is a 10-12 per cent Male performance advantage in most running and swimming events.
o There is a 20+ per cent Male performance advantage in most throwing and jumping events.
o The Male performance advantage can be greater than 100 per cent in events that involve explosive power, e.g. in collision, lifting and punching sports.

• Variation in Advantage: The extent of the performance advantage (and its implications) varies across sports and events and from occasion to occasion, depending on the athletes involved.

• Safety risks: In contact sports (e.g., individual and team combat, collision, projectile sports), the strength and power differential between Males and Females increases safety risks to Female athletes.

Everyone knows who the women are and one way or another, they always demonstrate it. Frequently by holding a man who says he's a woman higher than a woman who says he's not.