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uneffingbelievable · 2026-03-25T20:22:03+00:00

The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend. Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority. The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply. They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

poetryandwine · 28/03/2026 20:15

Marchesman · 28/03/2026 16:20

The last GMC workforce report that looked at progress after FY2 was 2024, and the most recent data then showed that 56% of F2 doctors did not apply to core or specialty training when they finished F2 training.

Of those who did apply, 92% received an offer.

This needs to be more well known.

So do the reasons why, whatever they may be.

poetryandwine · 28/03/2026 20:13

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 18:11

Not sure why you are posting out of date stats from 2024. We are talking about 52% of F2s having no work in August 2025.

I am wondering why the 2025 stats have not been published yet.

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There is always a significant lag time

poetryandwine · 28/03/2026 20:11

Sorry, @Scotiasdarling - crosspost! I understand well the perils of multitasking.
I have messed up much worse

poetryandwine · 28/03/2026 20:08

Sorry, @Scotiasdarling -

The point you wish to make is even stronger than you say. Do the maths with your data again! 754/73000 = 1.03%. That would be the success rate. About 1 in 100.

Over time the fast stream success rate is said to vary in the range 1.5 -2.5%.

I have confirmed the starting salary you gave a couple of places so I have no idea where @JaffavsCookie got her data.

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 19:50

Sorry, my post above should have read that about 1 in 100 fast track applicants are accepted. I was too late to edit. I should learn not to cook and post at the same time!

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 19:34

Last year there were 754 appointment to fast track, from 73000 applicants, so about 1 in 10 were accepted.

There were 8000 home medical students (a huge number) from 24000 applicants, i.e about 1 in 3 were accepted.

Increasingly it looks as though medicine is the choice for people with fewer options.

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 19:21

Civil service fast track starting salary is £31000. And it's massively competitive to get in. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

JaffavsCookie · 28/03/2026 19:07

Marchesman · 28/03/2026 17:05

The points that I made are evidence-based, as opposed to your ludicrous anecdotes.

I hope you don't teach a STEM subject.

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Ok, well obviously I am not going to share my kids employers and salaries but a couple of data driven examples ( of many - finance and law being the obvious examples to add in)
Aldi graduate trainees, 44k and a car
BP 45 k
civil service fast track 45-55k
etc etc, none of which involve working all weekend, seven days in a row, a week of long days 8-8, followed by a week of nights 8-8 etc.

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 18:48

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 18:45

Absolutely not in the same situation as you.

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What on earth do you mean now?

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 18:45

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 18:22

As are you.

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Absolutely not in the same situation as you.

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 18:22

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 18:15

We have been through this before. They really don't. Trainees are prioritised.

Of course you have not seen it as you are on the outside looking in.

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As are you.

Purplebunnie · 28/03/2026 18:22

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:51

In 2025 our UK trained doctors (at a cost of 4 billion a year) had a serious risk of unemployment after F2 as they were in competition with 20,800 international medical graduates to gain a training place.

The Resident doctors do not leave the UK for more money they leave to enable them to continue working as a doctor.

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Thank you for your explanation

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 18:15

uneffingbelievable · 28/03/2026 18:07

Sorry - that is just not true. Trust grade doctors get a GWS exactly the same as the "training" doctors do on the smae rota. They all rotate through the clinics operating, ward rounds etc. all get time off, all get an AES, CS all get access to study leave and a budget for that.
What is different.
Do you seriously think a senior doctor does not teach the trust grade as much as the training grade - that is utter bollocks and if you are truly a doctor as you infer then what speciality does that -because I have never seen that.

Oh and deanery funding does not cover the cost of the training grades salary

We have been through this before. They really don't. Trainees are prioritised.

Of course you have not seen it as you are on the outside looking in.

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 18:11

Marchesman · 28/03/2026 18:00

Those are the latest published figures for total applications and offers, against a background of a rising proportion of F2s not applying for training posts. Foreign graduates are largely getting these posts because UK graduates don't apply.

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Not sure why you are posting out of date stats from 2024. We are talking about 52% of F2s having no work in August 2025.

I am wondering why the 2025 stats have not been published yet.

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uneffingbelievable · 28/03/2026 18:07

Sorry - that is just not true. Trust grade doctors get a GWS exactly the same as the "training" doctors do on the smae rota. They all rotate through the clinics operating, ward rounds etc. all get time off, all get an AES, CS all get access to study leave and a budget for that.
What is different.
Do you seriously think a senior doctor does not teach the trust grade as much as the training grade - that is utter bollocks and if you are truly a doctor as you infer then what speciality does that -because I have never seen that.

Oh and deanery funding does not cover the cost of the training grades salary

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Marchesman · 28/03/2026 18:00

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:42

Your stats are not correct for the 2025 cohort when the explosion of IMG applications made UKGs unemployed.

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Those are the latest published figures for total applications and offers, against a background of a rising proportion of F2s not applying for training posts. Foreign graduates are largely getting these posts because UK graduates don't apply.

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:58

uneffingbelievable · 28/03/2026 17:43

Purple - why can you not see that any job in medicine develops you as a doctor. You seem to put so much on a "training" job - one of the best doctors I know never had a "training" job but made it as a consultant. His resilience and fortitude on doing it his own way ahs meant he has experienced medicine outside the scope of his chosen speciality and as a consequence has a greater understanding of so much more in healthcare.

He is firly against the strikes and run through training as he does not think it builds resilience if you training is delivered on a plate for you!

That is not true. The days of that being the case went when specialty training was introduced.

Trainees take priority with learning opportunities as the deanery pay for that.

Jobs are just service provision mostly.

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:51

Purplebunnie · 28/03/2026 16:41

I agree. If I understand correctly we pay to train Drs then that expertise is utilised in other countries so we have to pay to train more Drs to fulfil our needs and thus the money to pay better salaries to those who do stay isn't always there, but I may have an over simplified view and lack of understanding of the situation and I put my hands up to that

Having said that you can't blame them for seeking better pay and recognition elsewhere

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In 2025 our UK trained doctors (at a cost of 4 billion a year) had a serious risk of unemployment after F2 as they were in competition with 20,800 international medical graduates to gain a training place.

The Resident doctors do not leave the UK for more money they leave to enable them to continue working as a doctor.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 28/03/2026 17:50

mumsneedwine · 28/03/2026 17:30

Why does law always pop up on threads about doctors ?
Its amazing how intelligent people can buy Wes' propaganda. But I assume people don't want to see a doctor when they are ill.

Meanwhile doctors are working hard saving lives at 2am. Just like lawyers. Oh wait ....

Pathetic response I'm afraid. This is the whole problem. Doctors deal with lives. This is why I don't believe any doctor that strikes and endangers lives has a true vocation. Sorry. They should try law school instead and specialise in medical negligence or something if they have some interest in medicine.

People mention lawyers when doctors complain because they are another example of a profession where people spend years a lot of money to train (without guarantee of a job needed to qualify) and work long hours. Its not a "who is better" competition.

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:43

OhDear111 · 28/03/2026 17:24

@Pineneedlesincarpet Add in that it’s not just law grads who become lawyers either! Talented non law grads are in the mix too. Doctors are a closed shop!

The closed shop is called a medical degree

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uneffingbelievable · 28/03/2026 17:43

Purple - why can you not see that any job in medicine develops you as a doctor. You seem to put so much on a "training" job - one of the best doctors I know never had a "training" job but made it as a consultant. His resilience and fortitude on doing it his own way ahs meant he has experienced medicine outside the scope of his chosen speciality and as a consequence has a greater understanding of so much more in healthcare.

He is firly against the strikes and run through training as he does not think it builds resilience if you training is delivered on a plate for you!

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PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:42

Marchesman · 28/03/2026 17:20

Not much of a competition when 92% of them are successful.

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Your stats are not correct for the 2025 cohort when the explosion of IMG applications made UKGs unemployed.

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 17:41

mumsneedwine · 28/03/2026 17:30

Why does law always pop up on threads about doctors ?
Its amazing how intelligent people can buy Wes' propaganda. But I assume people don't want to see a doctor when they are ill.

Meanwhile doctors are working hard saving lives at 2am. Just like lawyers. Oh wait ....

Well they patently aren't going to be working hard saving lives at 2 a.m. That's rather the problem, they are going to be shouting on hospital steps in fancy dress trying to hold the country to ransom.

PurpleFairyLights · 28/03/2026 17:39

Scotiasdarling · 28/03/2026 17:13

Just like law graduates working so hard for their degrees. Have you ever heard them complaining? They are realists.

A law degree is useful for many careers.

They do not have only one source of employment - the NHS.

They are also paid very well and can move on if want pay rises.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

mumsneedwine · 28/03/2026 17:30

Why does law always pop up on threads about doctors ?
Its amazing how intelligent people can buy Wes' propaganda. But I assume people don't want to see a doctor when they are ill.

Meanwhile doctors are working hard saving lives at 2am. Just like lawyers. Oh wait ....