Resident doctors synicsl strike again

I am very fond of a few particular doctors and very grateful to the NHS doctors who came through for DH in a big way.

I have clearly expressed concern for career progression issues for doctors and the large debt accrued by medical students. I’ve said I would support employment action focused on these and similar issues.

I did support the pay rise issue in the first strike but right now is too much, too soon, too divisive, too out of touch.
The comparisons with hospital porters are 98% factually incorrect and apparently no one in favour of the strikes thought to check the figures. That breaks trust, in addition to being highly unattractive.

I’ve been very clear throughout that greed over salaries is my only sticking point. Also, if F2s are not applying for further training as the GMC 2024 report shows, that cannot be swept under the rug. It is part of the problem - I make no conjecture about what’s behind it, but it needs to be investigated.

When you and @PurpleFairyLights jump to the conclusions you have been making in the absence of evidence, I am not filled with confidence.

But you claim so much inside knowledge so you must be medical ? Or how do have all that information about the life of doctors.

On a yacht - and on the sea you say. Well there's a novelty.

You picked a nice day for it.

And again, your hatred of doctors is outstanding. Assume you're a lawyer ?

Not many other 23 year olds have the responsibility of being the first port of call for dozens of very sick people in the middle of the night.

You're mistaken. In the UK "resident doctors" includes foundation doctors in mandatory training. So not a lot of experience.

And currently I'm on a yacht. On the sea near Devon. Since you asked 😇

But you claim so much inside knowledge so you must be medical ? Or how do have all that information about the life of doctors.

They are asking for pay restoration off an indicator no one else uses, which inflates their demand.
If they use the one everyone else uses then the 3.5% being offered is pretty good when the comparision says about 5%

If they campaigned for a reduction in the interest rate on student loans for all students then I would whole heartedly support them

mums and purple - what are you two on.

Yes alot of FY1 jobs do not have an on call element - why? because the F1s were saying they found it too stressful and did not want to do it. so some areas stopped it in response to their feedback. Some jobs - public health do not require an out of hours element - are you advocating we pay them for work not done aswell. They wanted the more diverse jobs instead of the tradiational medicine and surgery six months - and those jobs do not always ahve unsoocial horus. You can not whinge for change and when you get the change you wanted then whinge about the change means you get paid less.

Deaneries do not pull jobs because the hospital teach trust doctors aswell as trainees. I have never seen a consultant send a trust doctor away and say I need ott each the trainee first because they are in a deanery post - utter utter bollocks and please provide evidence

Yes the CESR route is much harder than having a numbered post - which is why I admire the tencity of those that do it

Very few FY1s and 2s do 70 hour weeks every week of their rota - i think you will find that when they do a week of nights 1 week in 8 or 10 or 12 then they do but the rest are nearer to 40 hr week mark. They would not get through the GWS process.

Bit like ladybird not getting that US residents got paid roughly the same as UK resident but for doing double the average hours which meant the US residents were actually on a crap deal.

Once again too many people believing the absolute rubbish that is being touted as justification for threatening death on the British public

But you claim so much inside knowledge so you must be medical ? Or how do have all that information about the life of doctors.

Who is envious of whom?

When @mumsneedwine misidentified me as a medical doctor I corrected her quickly because in my world that is not a compliment.

There really are some posters with very unpleasant views. Envy is an ugly emotion.

Doctors do not get enhanced pay on bank holidays. Agenda for Change staff do.

Good to see the usual UK doctor haters turn up as soon as I post 😂. I shall expect the usual patronising, derogatory remarks very soon.

No one has ever said it's a bad career. But they are badly treated and the pay is 28% lower than 10 years ago, using the data that the government use to fix student finance loan rate.

mums and purple - what are you two on.

Yes alot of FY1 jobs do not have an on call element - why? because the F1s were saying they found it too stressful and did not want to do it. so some areas stopped it in response to their feedback. Some jobs - public health do not require an out of hours element - are you advocating we pay them for work not done aswell. They wanted the more diverse jobs instead of the tradiational medicine and surgery six months - and those jobs do not always ahve unsoocial horus. You can not whinge for change and when you get the change you wanted then whinge about the change means you get paid less.

Deaneries do not pull jobs because the hospital teach trust doctors aswell as trainees. I have never seen a consultant send a trust doctor away and say I need ott each the trainee first because they are in a deanery post - utter utter bollocks and please provide evidence

Yes the CESR route is much harder than having a numbered post - which is why I admire the tencity of those that do it

Very few FY1s and 2s do 70 hour weeks every week of their rota - i think you will find that when they do a week of nights 1 week in 8 or 10 or 12 then they do but the rest are nearer to 40 hr week mark. They would not get through the GWS process.

Bit like ladybird not getting that US residents got paid roughly the same as UK resident but for doing double the average hours which meant the US residents were actually on a crap deal.

Once again too many people believing the absolute rubbish that is being touted as justification for threatening death on the British public

They have to work for the NHS for a bit, then they can go private.

Being a RMO in a private hospital is a mug's game. No training, no career progression.

The first port of call is usually a nurse.