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Resident doctors synicsl strike again

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uneffingbelievable · 25/03/2026 20:22

The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

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wintersgold · 30/03/2026 18:40

cotswoldsgal1234 · 25/03/2026 21:21

So that’s 38k for a 23 year old.
Plus shift / on call allowances etc, which takes the average to the mid 40s
Not bad considering they are brand new, and at the very start of their career.
if we were flush with money then people would be more sympathetic, but we are in a crisis. And these people know that. The BMA is not fit for purpose.

It's awfully low for a highly educated, trained 23 year old with a job of such responsibility.

Locutus2000 · 30/03/2026 18:38

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 14:49

Hasn't worked ?? 2.5 years ago an F1 started on £29,000. They are now on £38,000 going up to £42,000 with any new pay rise. I'll think you'll find the strikes have worked. Still paid less than they were 10 years ago using RPI (as they do for SFE).

UKG prioritisation didn't come out of nowhere either.

This is the problem though. They have already done very well, unlike those on A4C and ancillary staff. Coming back for more immediately is terrible optics and Streeting's patience isn't infinite.

uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 18:18

We can disagree about the strikes have no issue with that. Sad that you do not see threatening people with the spectre of death is not appropriate and morally corrupt but we can disagree on that as well.

What I have hated on all these threads is the denigration of other AHPS, professions their skill sets, knowledge. The attitude that only medics are having a hard time and are treated the worst of everyone. The belief of some of the tales about their working conditions just does not ring true with those of us working in hospitals, teaching, educating and working with the residents on a daily basis

I do not believe in the right of any 17 yr old who enters medical school to be guaranteed a well paid job and training in what ever they want, wherever they want - that is just ridiculous and ensures people do not strive to be the best as they know they will get it anyway.

The only loser then is the patient.

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mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 18:13

Marchesman · 30/03/2026 17:33

More than two hundred authors put their names to the paper that I cited. I assume you have read it carefully because it is quite important, and clearly relevant to your worldview. That being so, where have you identified a flaw in their methodology, analysis or conclusions?

Or was your response to it argumentative for the sake of it?

Here it is again:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7222458/

And yet nothing has changed. Why are those 200 people being ignored by the GMC ? Who decides what is good medical education and what isn't ? If some Unis are lacking turn they should be closed now - it's not fair to take students money. RCVS thinks Cambridge Vet course is a bit rubbish and won't fully accredit it until changes are made - why do the GMC not do similar if it's so clear cut ?

I don't have an opinion on the quality of each Unis education as I haven't attended every Uni and can't compare. I've met doctors from lots of them though and I can't tell the difference. And neither it seems can the GMC.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 18:09

uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 18:03

PLAB has not stopped and people will still and come and compete and gain training - that is not going to change.

The first few strikes getting the big pay rise - I supported. The belief that they and only they should have pay restoration and another 25% I do not support - it is not reading the current economic climate and comes across as very very greedy.

And that is your prerogative. As it's mine to disagree. Thankfully we (just about) live in a free country.

IMGs will still come and get jobs. But only after all UKGs have one. Just like the rest of the world at last.

uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 18:03

PLAB has not stopped and people will still and come and compete and gain training - that is not going to change.

The first few strikes getting the big pay rise - I supported. The belief that they and only they should have pay restoration and another 25% I do not support - it is not reading the current economic climate and comes across as very very greedy.

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Marchesman · 30/03/2026 17:33

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 11:16

Once again, I assume you are campaigning to prevent more medical schools opening and for the closure of the ones you deem unacceptable ?

Most start with just international students and so will limit their options. And also options for local people as many newer schools give preference in order to try and increase doctors in that area (rather scuppered by the algorithm for foundation).

But I'm sure the GMC will welcome your information as to why they are wrong and you are right about the rubbish standards of education.

More than two hundred authors put their names to the paper that I cited. I assume you have read it carefully because it is quite important, and clearly relevant to your worldview. That being so, where have you identified a flaw in their methodology, analysis or conclusions?

Or was your response to it argumentative for the sake of it?

Here it is again:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7222458/

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 15:16

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 15:11

@PurpleFairyLights it's madness that the 2 most people interacting specialities don't interview ! Just rely on an exam that's not fit for psyc anyway. Some very odd decisions have been made around medical training in the last decade.
At least the PLAB gravy train is finished. GMC won't like that !

There are quite a few gravy trains that are off the tracks now. Unbelievable this went on for 5 years. I would like to see an investigation.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 15:11

@PurpleFairyLights it's madness that the 2 most people interacting specialities don't interview ! Just rely on an exam that's not fit for psyc anyway. Some very odd decisions have been made around medical training in the last decade.
At least the PLAB gravy train is finished. GMC won't like that !

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 15:07

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 14:56

@PurpleFairyLights best thing anyone has done for a long time. Now just need to get rid of that stupid algorithm and use the MLA to rank and things will be starting to get back to some sanity.

Oh and not use MSRA for specialities that it doesn't have any questions and on !

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Also need to start interviewing for GP and psych.

There is also the current problem of many trainees using GP and psych as a foot in the door to other specialty training. It will cause huge problems in the next few years.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 14:56

@PurpleFairyLights best thing anyone has done for a long time. Now just need to get rid of that stupid algorithm and use the MLA to rank and things will be starting to get back to some sanity.

Oh and not use MSRA for specialities that it doesn't have any questions and on !

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 14:55

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 14:49

Hasn't worked ?? 2.5 years ago an F1 started on £29,000. They are now on £38,000 going up to £42,000 with any new pay rise. I'll think you'll find the strikes have worked. Still paid less than they were 10 years ago using RPI (as they do for SFE).

UKG prioritisation didn't come out of nowhere either.

UK medical graduate prioritisation best thing Streeting has done.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 14:49

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 13:34

@PurpleFairyLights you have never been a junior doctor. Your vast knowledge has been gleaned very recently while fretting over the somewhat stalled career of someone else and is neither a very whole nor truthful picture. Many people on this thread have never been junior doctors, but they, like me and even like you are allowed to have opinions.

Try to read the room. The juniors had a stab at getting more money out of the taxpayer, but it hasn't worked over 15 strikes and I hope it won't work again. Public support for them is very low (look at the poll results at the top of this thread). Anyone struggling to put food on the table or fill their car with diesel must be absolutely appalled by their greed.

Hasn't worked ?? 2.5 years ago an F1 started on £29,000. They are now on £38,000 going up to £42,000 with any new pay rise. I'll think you'll find the strikes have worked. Still paid less than they were 10 years ago using RPI (as they do for SFE).

UKG prioritisation didn't come out of nowhere either.

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 14:25

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 14:04

You have absolutely no idea of my profession. Most sensible people on MN don't state their exact profession as there are some very unpleasant posters on MN at times that you would be guarding against.

You don't have a medical degree but think you know it all via osmosis due to being married to a doctor. Comedy gold.

Another unpleasant comment about my son. You are just showing yourself up. If you were aware of what he is currently doing you would be embarrassed by that comment.

As I think your behaviour is inappropriate and escalating yet again I will ignore you from now on as I have had to do on other threads.

I didn't mention your son.

You have proved yourself completely ignorant on several occasions of things which any doctor would know, proving you are not a doctor. I have never tried to pretend I am one, you on the other hand....

Only you think you have to be a doctor to comment. I can comment if I choose.

You seem to find it hard to disagree civilly so it probably would be better if you ignored me (And anyone else who disagrees with you.)

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 14:04

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 13:34

@PurpleFairyLights you have never been a junior doctor. Your vast knowledge has been gleaned very recently while fretting over the somewhat stalled career of someone else and is neither a very whole nor truthful picture. Many people on this thread have never been junior doctors, but they, like me and even like you are allowed to have opinions.

Try to read the room. The juniors had a stab at getting more money out of the taxpayer, but it hasn't worked over 15 strikes and I hope it won't work again. Public support for them is very low (look at the poll results at the top of this thread). Anyone struggling to put food on the table or fill their car with diesel must be absolutely appalled by their greed.

You have absolutely no idea of my profession. Most sensible people on MN don't state their exact profession as there are some very unpleasant posters on MN at times that you would be guarding against.

You don't have a medical degree but think you know it all via osmosis due to being married to a doctor. Comedy gold.

Another unpleasant comment about my son. You are just showing yourself up. If you were aware of what he is currently doing you would be embarrassed by that comment.

As I think your behaviour is inappropriate and escalating yet again I will ignore you from now on as I have had to do on other threads.

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 13:34

@PurpleFairyLights you have never been a junior doctor. Your vast knowledge has been gleaned very recently while fretting over the somewhat stalled career of someone else and is neither a very whole nor truthful picture. Many people on this thread have never been junior doctors, but they, like me and even like you are allowed to have opinions.

Try to read the room. The juniors had a stab at getting more money out of the taxpayer, but it hasn't worked over 15 strikes and I hope it won't work again. Public support for them is very low (look at the poll results at the top of this thread). Anyone struggling to put food on the table or fill their car with diesel must be absolutely appalled by their greed.

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 13:32

poetryandwine · 30/03/2026 13:26

I think there may be a happy medium.

Does any other democracy practise a similar system healthcare as the UK?

As far as I know nope. There's universal healthcare across the world (barring the USA) but no NHS model.

poetryandwine · 30/03/2026 13:26

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 10:53

A free market instead of state healthcare would ensure high wages

I think there may be a happy medium.

Does any other democracy practise a similar system healthcare as the UK?

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 13:03

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 12:19

@PurpleFairyLights if you find my posts unpleasant you are always at liberty to ignore them. You don't seem able to do that, whatever you say. In fact they are far from unpleasant but they are truthful and you do not want to hear the truth.

I certainly do not have an intense dislike of doctors. I have been married to a highly regarded consultant for more than 30 years, so probably have more experience of being around someone working in medicine than you do, seeing as you only have experience of your son's struggles in the NHS jobs market for the last 30 months or so.

I only mentioned your son because your last thread seemed to focus entirely on his problems. From now on he will certainly be Be He Who Must Not Be Referred To.

You are always saying what you find unpleasant. Can I just say that your condescension is extremely unattractive, and your wilful ignoring of the facts surrounding the deficiencies of some medical training positively reckless.

Possibly you are the one who should apply to med. school. You aren't getting much reflected glory from any of the current crop of greedy strikers, who knows you might be able to get some status/pension of your own. I believe it's fairly easy to get in these days.

On other threads I have ignored your threads as they get progressively worse.

Being married to a doctor is still on the outside looking in. You will never understand the life of a resident doctor as you have not been one. Listening to your husband is not the same as walking a mile in their shoes. Also your husband trained under very different circumstances.

Why would anyone with their own successful career need reflected glory from their own children? Very odd attitude for 2026.

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 12:57

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 12:22

Prestige ???? Where ??? Can you not read the disparaging and mean remarks people make on here about doctors.
Not sure they feel like they are given much 'prestige' these days. Just abuse I'm afraid.

Oh dear so much dislike of doctors and a resident expert that is not a doctor but married to a doctor of 30 years. Why are they even on this thread?

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 12:22

Alpacajigsaw · 30/03/2026 11:34

It can’t be than unattractive a career given how difficult it is to get into medical school. I’m a bit fed up seeing crap like they’d get paid more for working in Aldi. Medicine in the upper echelons pays a lot of money and carries a lot of prestige. That’s why it’s so competitive.

Prestige ???? Where ??? Can you not read the disparaging and mean remarks people make on here about doctors.
Not sure they feel like they are given much 'prestige' these days. Just abuse I'm afraid.

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 12:19

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 11:53

Read your posts back. I remember you from other threads. A lot of your posts are pretty unpleasant and I have had to ignore you on other threads before. Bringing my DS into this was very inappropriate. He is nothing to do with this.

Your intense dislike of doctors makes me think you are possibly envious of their job/status/pensions. Depending on your age have you considered applying to medical school?

I understand that It must be hard for you to be on the outside looking in but talking to consultants does not give you insight into how hard resident doctors work.

@PurpleFairyLights if you find my posts unpleasant you are always at liberty to ignore them. You don't seem able to do that, whatever you say. In fact they are far from unpleasant but they are truthful and you do not want to hear the truth.

I certainly do not have an intense dislike of doctors. I have been married to a highly regarded consultant for more than 30 years, so probably have more experience of being around someone working in medicine than you do, seeing as you only have experience of your son's struggles in the NHS jobs market for the last 30 months or so.

I only mentioned your son because your last thread seemed to focus entirely on his problems. From now on he will certainly be Be He Who Must Not Be Referred To.

You are always saying what you find unpleasant. Can I just say that your condescension is extremely unattractive, and your wilful ignoring of the facts surrounding the deficiencies of some medical training positively reckless.

Possibly you are the one who should apply to med. school. You aren't getting much reflected glory from any of the current crop of greedy strikers, who knows you might be able to get some status/pension of your own. I believe it's fairly easy to get in these days.

PurpleFairyLights · 30/03/2026 11:53

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 10:36

Of all the strange and delusional notions on here this really takes the biscuit. Why, if junior doctors are really, as you would have it, underpaid, overworked, ordered about the countryside, not given time to eat or drink, variously forced to work long shifts but not paid overtime, not given training, and not given jobs for life would any of the obviously intelligent and presumably gainfully employed women on here ENVY them??

Read your posts back. I remember you from other threads. A lot of your posts are pretty unpleasant and I have had to ignore you on other threads before. Bringing my DS into this was very inappropriate. He is nothing to do with this.

Your intense dislike of doctors makes me think you are possibly envious of their job/status/pensions. Depending on your age have you considered applying to medical school?

I understand that It must be hard for you to be on the outside looking in but talking to consultants does not give you insight into how hard resident doctors work.

Alpacajigsaw · 30/03/2026 11:34

It can’t be than unattractive a career given how difficult it is to get into medical school. I’m a bit fed up seeing crap like they’d get paid more for working in Aldi. Medicine in the upper echelons pays a lot of money and carries a lot of prestige. That’s why it’s so competitive.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 11:16

Marchesman · 30/03/2026 00:03

As a semi-academic medic I agree. The notion that all UK medical students and medical schools are of a high standard cannot be right. Where an institution has a low bar for entry and teaches little of the basic sciences the output is logically going to be problematic, and there is ample research confirming this.

Exploring UK medical school differences: the MedDifs study of selection, teaching, student and F1 perceptions, postgraduate outcomes and fitness to practise | BMC Medicine | Springer Nature Link

Once again, I assume you are campaigning to prevent more medical schools opening and for the closure of the ones you deem unacceptable ?

Most start with just international students and so will limit their options. And also options for local people as many newer schools give preference in order to try and increase doctors in that area (rather scuppered by the algorithm for foundation).

But I'm sure the GMC will welcome your information as to why they are wrong and you are right about the rubbish standards of education.