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Resident doctors synicsl strike again

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uneffingbelievable · 25/03/2026 20:22

The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

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uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 21:46

Alexandra2001 - FY1,2 and CT1,2 do not do 24 hr on calls it is all shift working
SPRs ST3-8 may do 24 hr oncalls but this is getting less common as particualrly in the rpactical specialities shifts destroy your access to training

4 x 13 hr shifts are done in many professions and then time off after these are not every week, but will rotate over a 6-8 week period

Dom i support going back to 70 hr/100+ hr weeks - no i do not but witht hat comes a compromise. You will not be as experienced on 6 yrs of reg training on less than 52 hrs per week than someone who has done 70+. Ergo to be as eperienced when you finishs training as the previous generation you need to spend more time training - which no one wants to do. The result is a generation of junior consultants who need more support from their senior colleagues in the first few years. Nothing is clearer than on a surgeons log book and believe me it shows.

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uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 21:40

mums - please do your homework
Band 7 PAs in an NHS hospital are paid from 49-56K depending on experience
In GP land it is different

A CT1 basic is 52K
ST3 basic is 65K

And rather than split hairs - you get an offer for a medical school and accept for a lot of people at age 17 and Brighton and Sussex will allow you start aged 17 but must turn 18 in the first year.

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Bearnese · 30/03/2026 21:32

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:58

And they can all leave. Indentured servitude was a bit last century.

Why would they leave? I thought they were desperate for jobs.

The whole ‘pay us more or we’ll be forced to move to Aus / NZ doesn’t work when so many UK drs would LOVE simply a guaranteed job.

Argue for the jobs, leave the pay argument for now. You sound greedy.

Alexandra2001 · 30/03/2026 21:31

Restlessdreams1994 · 30/03/2026 21:20

They renamed themselves “resident doctors” which makes no sense since none of them are resident and the longest shift they work is 13 hours. The job now is a far cry from the days of 72hr on call weekends that the true “resident doctors” worked.

They can do 4 13 shifts back to back, 52hrs in 4 days... and on call is 24hr shifts.

Do you support returning to the 72hr working weeks?

Do you do 52hrs in 4 days? not inc travel.

Alexandra2001 · 30/03/2026 21:28

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 20:59

The police and the army can't strike as well.

They get paid for a job they agreed to do. They have to show up and do it.

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Whats this got to do with Doctors?

Restlessdreams1994 · 30/03/2026 21:20

Alexandra2001 · 30/03/2026 20:23

You do know the title of Junior Doctor has been changed to Resident Doctor....

...and that a Resident Dr may have spent many years in a hospital... treating patients and having huge amounts of responsibility...

Perhaps you don't because you don't know much else about the profession.

They renamed themselves “resident doctors” which makes no sense since none of them are resident and the longest shift they work is 13 hours. The job now is a far cry from the days of 72hr on call weekends that the true “resident doctors” worked.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 21:13

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 21:07

I'm not sure they would love to be resident. Do you know that actually means living in the hospital?

Why do they have to live in the hospital ??? They could just work there - like normal people. Residents in US don't actually live on site.

And yes, my DD has enjoyed the pleasure of hospital accommodation 🤢

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 21:07

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 21:00

You really don't like doctors do you ! They'd love to be resident (like those beloved AHPs) but they are forced to rotate.

If you're sick and want to see a doctor you need to ask for one. Because many people like to cosplay at being one (which is a criminal offence).

I'm not sure they would love to be resident. Do you know that actually means living in the hospital?

poetryandwine · 30/03/2026 21:05

Goldengirl123 · 30/03/2026 20:52

A junior doctor told me he earns £14.50 ana hr. I don’t like them striking but what else can they do?

That must have been a while back.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 21:02

MPs meanwhile gave themselves a 5% pay rise and a £3,000 cost of living allowance. The money seems to be there for some.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 21:01

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 20:59

The police and the army can't strike as well.

They get paid for a job they agreed to do. They have to show up and do it.

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And I think they are underpaid too. Both get a full
Pension after 30 years, quite rightly. Doctors don't. It's not a competition!

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 21:00

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 20:57

Rude. They are still junior doctors in that they are not consultants ,i.e. senior doctors. Calling them resident doctors is actually quite funny given that they are definitely not resident.

You really don't like doctors do you ! They'd love to be resident (like those beloved AHPs) but they are forced to rotate.

If you're sick and want to see a doctor you need to ask for one. Because many people like to cosplay at being one (which is a criminal offence).

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 20:59

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:58

And they can all leave. Indentured servitude was a bit last century.

The police and the army can't strike as well.

They get paid for a job they agreed to do. They have to show up and do it.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:58

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 20:55

The government can pass legislation to ban them from striking

And they can all leave. Indentured servitude was a bit last century.

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 20:57

Alexandra2001 · 30/03/2026 20:23

You do know the title of Junior Doctor has been changed to Resident Doctor....

...and that a Resident Dr may have spent many years in a hospital... treating patients and having huge amounts of responsibility...

Perhaps you don't because you don't know much else about the profession.

Rude. They are still junior doctors in that they are not consultants ,i.e. senior doctors. Calling them resident doctors is actually quite funny given that they are definitely not resident.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:57

Goldengirl123 · 30/03/2026 20:52

A junior doctor told me he earns £14.50 ana hr. I don’t like them striking but what else can they do?

They don't anymore. They now earn £18.11 an hour. Strikes work ! Shame they are needed and doctors can't be paid more than their assistants (PAs earn more up to ST5).

But as can be seen on here. Many people hate doctors. Not sure why🤷‍♀️

PintsOfBeer · 30/03/2026 20:55

Goldengirl123 · 30/03/2026 20:52

A junior doctor told me he earns £14.50 ana hr. I don’t like them striking but what else can they do?

The government can pass legislation to ban them from striking

Goldengirl123 · 30/03/2026 20:52

A junior doctor told me he earns £14.50 ana hr. I don’t like them striking but what else can they do?

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:35

uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 18:18

We can disagree about the strikes have no issue with that. Sad that you do not see threatening people with the spectre of death is not appropriate and morally corrupt but we can disagree on that as well.

What I have hated on all these threads is the denigration of other AHPS, professions their skill sets, knowledge. The attitude that only medics are having a hard time and are treated the worst of everyone. The belief of some of the tales about their working conditions just does not ring true with those of us working in hospitals, teaching, educating and working with the residents on a daily basis

I do not believe in the right of any 17 yr old who enters medical school to be guaranteed a well paid job and training in what ever they want, wherever they want - that is just ridiculous and ensures people do not strive to be the best as they know they will get it anyway.

The only loser then is the patient.

You can't enter medical school at 17 in England.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:35

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 19:23

"Highly educated" well up to a point. They have a medical degree.

"Trained" no, they are trained while they work as junior doctors. They all get their first two jobs and start training. To begin with they cannot work independently. After those first two jobs progression is not guaranteed, getting training posts is competitive.

"Such responsibility" is always ultimately the consultants responsibility.

Bollocks I'm afraid. F2s are independent. And F1s have to be a lot of the time as no one around to help, except amazing nurses.

mumsneedwine · 30/03/2026 20:33

ANPs, AHPs and nurses do an amazing job. But they are not ST7 equivalent. Because if they are then there is no need for 5 years med school, 2 years foundation and 7 years as a doctor. Or the many v expensive exams, studying fit which means doctors lose most of their 20s spare time.

Not sure when they have been denigrated. They are not doctors. It's a fact. Most agree as they are not trained to be an ST4-7. Doctors can't suddenly become physios, paramedics or nurses so why is it ok the other way round ?

Alexandra2001 · 30/03/2026 20:25

uneffingbelievable · 30/03/2026 18:18

We can disagree about the strikes have no issue with that. Sad that you do not see threatening people with the spectre of death is not appropriate and morally corrupt but we can disagree on that as well.

What I have hated on all these threads is the denigration of other AHPS, professions their skill sets, knowledge. The attitude that only medics are having a hard time and are treated the worst of everyone. The belief of some of the tales about their working conditions just does not ring true with those of us working in hospitals, teaching, educating and working with the residents on a daily basis

I do not believe in the right of any 17 yr old who enters medical school to be guaranteed a well paid job and training in what ever they want, wherever they want - that is just ridiculous and ensures people do not strive to be the best as they know they will get it anyway.

The only loser then is the patient.

Takes 2 to strike, the Govt has as much responsibility for this as the Doctors.

On AHP, totally agree, my DD is one, treated very shabbly by the NHS, ultimately by the Govt.

Alexandra2001 · 30/03/2026 20:23

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 19:23

"Highly educated" well up to a point. They have a medical degree.

"Trained" no, they are trained while they work as junior doctors. They all get their first two jobs and start training. To begin with they cannot work independently. After those first two jobs progression is not guaranteed, getting training posts is competitive.

"Such responsibility" is always ultimately the consultants responsibility.

You do know the title of Junior Doctor has been changed to Resident Doctor....

...and that a Resident Dr may have spent many years in a hospital... treating patients and having huge amounts of responsibility...

Perhaps you don't because you don't know much else about the profession.

poetryandwine · 30/03/2026 19:51

wintersgold · 30/03/2026 18:40

It's awfully low for a highly educated, trained 23 year old with a job of such responsibility.

It really isn’t. We established that with respect to highly trained military in much more competitive positions earlier in this thread.

I’ve agreed there should be economic compensation for holding human life in one’s hand (though I think resident doctors would do better to make common cause with other HCPs on this count). Even allowing for this, they are doing very well economically compared to the nation’s leading young scientists in the public sector. A much more elite cohort, because I mean people who got Firsts from good universities, then good PhDs, and developed strong research programmes but are now struggling because of systemic problems. Each of those stages culls massively.

I believe the public are right to perceive the financial focus of this strike action as tone deaf, misplaced and precious. I will say for the third or fourth time on this thread alone that other concerns such as loan debt, career progression, possible indemnity issues, etc have my full sympathy.

Scotiasdarling · 30/03/2026 19:23

wintersgold · 30/03/2026 18:40

It's awfully low for a highly educated, trained 23 year old with a job of such responsibility.

"Highly educated" well up to a point. They have a medical degree.

"Trained" no, they are trained while they work as junior doctors. They all get their first two jobs and start training. To begin with they cannot work independently. After those first two jobs progression is not guaranteed, getting training posts is competitive.

"Such responsibility" is always ultimately the consultants responsibility.