To think Labour is not the party of the working people.

Means test pensioner benefits as a first start.

Slowly fizzle away the state pension to get to a system where we all privately save, invest and plan for retirement. Those who've paid in get a lump sum back to do as they please.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed?

They keep telling us that there’s no money and that they need to raise taxes, yet they seem to have plenty when it comes to dishing out benefits.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed

This is one policy I actually do support. Too many children are in poverty. The majority of people aren’t breeding for benefits. I’m a higher rate tax payer who stuck at 2dc.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed

This is one policy I actually do support. Too many children are in poverty. The majority of people aren’t breeding for benefits. I’m a higher rate tax payer who stuck at 2dc.

So who does she need to win over to increase the Tories vote share to a position where she has a hope of winning? The Reform/Restore cohort?

You support Labour generally don’t you, not just this policy, going by pp.

Means test pensioner benefits as a first start.

Slowly fizzle away the state pension to get to a system where we all privately save, invest and plan for retirement. Those who've paid in get a lump sum back to do as they please.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed?

They keep telling us that there’s no money and that they need to raise taxes, yet they seem to have plenty when it comes to dishing out benefits.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed?

They keep telling us that there’s no money and that they need to raise taxes, yet they seem to have plenty when it comes to dishing out benefits.

Not really. It seems to be people who don’t vote for them anyway saying this.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed

This is one policy I actually do support. Too many children are in poverty. The majority of people aren’t breeding for benefits. I’m a higher rate tax payer who stuck at 2dc.

And you're falling for their tricks. Politicians love doing this. Are you absolutely sure all the problems in this country affecting working class people are caused by folk on benefits?

The cons like to make out labour are a party supporting benefits claimants yet it's their UC PIP systems that have seen claims balloon in size and it not because people have got better at working the system it's by design.

Do you think the private companies who lobby the government have any interest in employing those people because I can tell you that they don't and while you're happily distracted as they focus your anger at benefits claimants the politicians can happily get away with anything.

Politics across the Western world are completely broken due to many reasons the foremost being to refusal to acknowledge that China has progressed far more than they want to believe and has always been an historical powerhouse for thousands of years apart from a 100-200 year blip and own most of the debt we owe.

The entire West needs radical change but it's not going to come from parties like Reform/Restore or the Greens and that change will be painful for everyone including those on benefits and the working class however such change is unlikely to happen.

This. I don't know what people are expecting

miracles apparently.

How on earth can any gov slash welfare spending with an ageing population?

She doesn't need to win Labour/left votes. Which is why I said she needs to win back One Nation Tories.

And you're falling for their tricks. Politicians love doing this. Are you absolutely sure all the problems in this country affecting working class people are caused by folk on benefits?

The cons like to make out labour are a party supporting benefits claimants yet it's their UC PIP systems that have seen claims balloon in size and it not because people have got better at working the system it's by design.

Do you think the private companies who lobby the government have any interest in employing those people because I can tell you that they don't and while you're happily distracted as they focus your anger at benefits claimants the politicians can happily get away with anything.

Politics across the Western world are completely broken due to many reasons the foremost being to refusal to acknowledge that China has progressed far more than they want to believe and has always been an historical powerhouse for thousands of years apart from a 100-200 year blip and own most of the debt we owe.

The entire West needs radical change but it's not going to come from parties like Reform/Restore or the Greens and that change will be painful for everyone including those on benefits and the working class however such change is unlikely to happen.

She’s not going to get dedicated Labour / left voters. She’s doing well so far.

She’s certainly turned me off, I’m not interested in Reform or a version of.

Tbf Labour use Mahmood for the same so I’m not sure why they have criticism on that.

I have noted on here before we are 30th GDP per capita (the only measure that matters) and falling and only wealthy compared to countries lower down. We have masses of debt, the government wastes money massively and we spend far too much on welfare of unproductive people, productivity is low, we don't make anything anymore and wouldn't need able to as we have one of the highest energy costs in the world. This is all down to successive incompetent governments.

How do you know this oh mighty one? I'll be happy when the welfare state is slashed.

@PandoraSockshmmm maybe she needs another group of strong women behind her - to guide her ! I have to say her Reform rhetoric is the only thing that makes me dislike her - she doesn’t need it!