To think Labour is not the party of the working people.

I don't think Reform want to win in Wales, they'd no doubt prefer to keep their record clean for the next GE.

That ship’s already sailed. Winning all those councils last year has done them no favours.

Even if the government do give incentives for people to work they then have to actually become employed it's really not quite as simple as just taking away their money and you can't force employers to take on risky people and a lot of those unemployed are not in the areas where the jobs are. "Get on your bike and look" only really works if there's access to affordable housing etc..

The above is the reason most governments since the 80s have struggled with welfare because it's far less simple than the media would have you believe. The system needs changing completely not just welfare but I fear that would in the end make us working class folk even worse off if not done carefully

It was a joke Pandora.
Your choice if you prefer Farage to be the contender for votes right of centre.
I don't think Reform want to win in Wales, they'd no doubt prefer to keep their record clean for the next GE. Second place would be more beneficial to them.

That’s fine. Wales will vote as they wish, I doubt any Conservative leader would cut through. I’m happy for Kemi to stay, there’s no way she should go because Wales are moving to Reform or PC.

It’ll be much harder for Starmer to get past losing an area held for 100 years.

Yes, he is, but Nuthatch and I were discussing Badenoch and the Senedd elections.

Thy are the party of people on benefits - they’re not remotely interested in working people m, small businesses or anyone with aspiration.

Starmer is failing to connect even more, on a national level.

Welsh voters who are right of centre obviously prefer Reform

Yes, that is true, sadly, Tory voters in Wales seem to be switching to Reform. As I said, Badenoch is failing to connect with the electorate.

Why would I want to promote Badenoch? The left in some form is going to be in power in Wales by the looks of things. 🤞

Welsh voters who are right of centre obviously prefer Reform

Yes, that is true, sadly, Tory voters in Wales seem to be switching to Reform. As I said, Badenoch is failing to connect with the electorate.

Why would I want to promote Badenoch? The left in some form is going to be in power in Wales by the looks of things. 🤞

Bollocks, have you looked at her background? Her Dad was a GP and Mum a professor. She isn't Angela Rayner.

Welsh voters who are right of centre obviously prefer Reform. Perhaps you should start promoting Kemi locally and online to increase her standing :-)

Kemi is doing great.

The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems are all going to keep pandering to their left and stay in their fantasy world.

If you think this country needs fixing regarding immigration, economy, welfare, etc. and don’t want to vote for Reform, which is a lot of us, she is the only option.

And she is a black woman coming from immigration who made her own path and knows what a woman is, not the usual privileged, disconnected from reality, middle class, uni types you find in politics.

Our primary has a breakfast club.... do you have any idea how many schools there are in the UK ?

However, after 14 years of Austerity, Covid, Ukraine and the running down of public services... why do you think 18months is long enough to turn things around?

Personally, i don't think any Govt can turn things around atm, we have become a benefits country.... i don't mean UC i mean the clamour to have "Energy Support" "Cut fuel duty" "i want cheap heating oil, other tax payers can pay for it"

No one says "i'll turn the heating down" i'll drive less/slower"

People on 80k or 90k claiming childcare... why? if you cannot afford kids on that salary, don't fucking have them.

Its all "what can i get from the state"

I'm pretty left wing, but this take take take attitude is destroying the country & not what the Welfare state was set up to do & i didn't support the lifting of the 2 cap limit either.

Hopefully Reeves saying any support will be targeted on the poor might start to change things.

But polling shows she isn't connecting with voters. For example, in Wales the Tories are predicted to lose all but one of their 11 Senedd seats in May. In England, they are predicted to go from 1146 to 736 seats.

Kemi is doing great.

The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems are all going to keep pandering to their left and stay in their fantasy world.

If you think this country needs fixing regarding immigration, economy, welfare, etc. and don’t want to vote for Reform, which is a lot of us, she is the only option.

And she is a black woman coming from immigration who made her own path and knows what a woman is, not the usual privileged, disconnected from reality, middle class, uni types you find in politics.

Kemi is doing great.

The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems are all going to keep pandering to their left and stay in their fantasy world.

If you think this country needs fixing regarding immigration, economy, welfare, etc. and don’t want to vote for Reform, which is a lot of us, she is the only option.

And she is a black woman coming from immigration who made her own path and knows what a woman is, not the usual privileged, disconnected from reality, middle class, uni types you find in politics.

I think that is right. They see a Labour Government that has effectively declared them unemployable and want a better future.

What really annoys me about labours definition of ‘working person’ is that the squirm their hardest not to admit it doesn’t include me. I have earned every penny I have received since I left uni at 21. No bank of mum and dad or inheritance for me. I’ve paid PAYE on everything. I receive no benefits. I pay top rate tax. Am I a ‘hard working person?’ Because everything I own I get from working hard. I have a partner and kids. Are we a ‘hard working family’ because my partner earns similar and hasn’t had any free money from anywhere either. I somehow think we don’t fit into their definition of ‘hard working families’ though.

We pay lots of tax. Fair enough. But I get not a lot back. I’m not expecting any freebies - that would be stupid - but I want a health service that treats my family happily and promptly, not the grudging system we have now where if you want 3 years you might get to see CAMHS and you should be very grateful indeed. I expect the government to employ enough driving instructors so that my nephew can sit a test when he wants, not in 6 months time at the other end of the country if you’re extremely lucky.

Some public services are not good enough at all and they should be the basics, not the nice to haves.

I assume a huge amount of people on benefits dont actually enjoy not working and probably aren't that happy with their existing lives. Particularly young people. They/we all want hope that life will get better for us and for our children.

Here you go.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/harsh-reality-iran-war-paul-ovenden-rmbqlvwdz

Kemi is doing great.

The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems are all going to keep pandering to their left and stay in their fantasy world.

If you think this country needs fixing regarding immigration, economy, welfare, etc. and don’t want to vote for Reform, which is a lot of us, she is the only option.

And she is a black woman coming from immigration who made her own path and knows what a woman is, not the usual privileged, disconnected from reality, middle class, uni types you find in politics.