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to admire religious fasting for its discipline and commitment?

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catchingup1 · 23/03/2026 15:20

I’ve been thinking about this lately, especially with Ramadan just gone and the dry fasting of 24 hours by Jews and Mormons.

I can't help feeling impressed. Not in a gushy way, just genuinely. Going without food and water for long periods, while still getting on with normal life, work, family etc takes a level of willpower and discipline that I don’t think most people have.

It’s not even just the physical side. It’s the restraint, the routine, the intention behind it. The fact that people are doing it for something bigger than themselves, not just for a diet or health trend.

It's not just people who’ve grown up with it. There are converts every year across different religions who are doing these fasts for the first time as adults. They haven’t had years to “get used to it” and are choosing to take it on anyway. It’s a conscious decision, not just habit.

Even for people who have done it since childhood, plenty still find it challenging every year. It’s not like it becomes effortless, they’re still choosing to stick to it day after day.

Then you read so much now about people struggling with “food noise”, constantly thinking about what to eat next, cravings, snacking, not being able to switch off from it. So the idea of deliberately stepping away from all of that, even for a set period and managing your impulses like that. It does make me respect it.

I’m not saying it makes anyone better than anyone else, just that I admire the self control, discipline and commitment involved.

I came across this about the benefits of dry fasting:

www.bcm.edu/news/dawn-to-dusk-dry-fasting-leads-to-health-benefits-in-the-study-of-immune-cells

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PottingBench · 25/03/2026 13:23

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 09:35

Plenty of people do things that aren’t universally comfortable or appealing and don’t get this level of pushback. There’s clearly a bit more going on than just people politely worrying about hydration.

Also the whole “it sounds unpleasant so I don’t like it” isn’t really an argument, it’s just a personal reaction. Lots of things that require discipline feel unpleasant. That doesn’t make them pointless or something to be dismissed.

On the “relentless health benefits” point, I’ve literally just responded to what people are saying. If people keep coming back with the same points, I’m going to reply. That’s how threads work. It’s not “evangelical zeal”, it’s just not backing down the second someone disagrees.

The bit about being “cagey” is a bit weird. No one owes anyone a full breakdown of their beliefs or personal practices to have a discussion. You can talk about something without turning it into a personal disclosure.

Honestly, a lot of this feels like people are uncomfortable with it and then working backwards to justify why. The number of “fair play but not for me” posts is fine, but there’s also a lot that goes way beyond that into dismissive or hostile territory, which isn’t really about health concerns anymore.

Plenty of people do things that aren’t universally comfortable or appealing and don’t get this level of pushback.

If you're familiar with MN you'll know that's absolutely not true.

Also the whole “it sounds unpleasant so I don’t like it” isn’t really an argument, it’s just a personal reaction.

It is a personal opinion though and this is an opinion/discussion thread. People are free to speak about their own reaction.

The bit about being “cagey” is a bit weird. No one owes anyone a full breakdown of their beliefs or personal practices to have a discussion.

Your level of relentless zeal on this is beyond normal 'discussion' though. Repeated posting of links isn't discussion. You seem to have a vested interest and you can't blame posters for questioning why you won't reveal that.

"Honestly, a lot of this feels like people are uncomfortable with it"
You must surely have expected most people to feel uncomfortable with the concept of denying yourself water for hours on end.

People are allowed to be uncomfortable about it without justification, just as you are free to be evangelical without disclosure.

"That doesn’t make them pointless or something to be dismissed."
People are free to dismiss a concept at will.

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/03/2026 13:19

NemesisInferior · 25/03/2026 13:05

It's not impressive causing yourself health issues and eating unhealthily because a work of fiction says you should. What it is, is stupid.

And yes, it is unhealthy despite the dubious links you keep bombarding people with.

Quite. And fasting for some can lead to mental illness, which can literally be deadly. My dd didn’t think she needed to eat to live. And it all started with skipping lunch.

NemesisInferior · 25/03/2026 13:05

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 09:36

This is impressive. I rarely hear of people doing this for lent.

It's not impressive causing yourself health issues and eating unhealthily because a work of fiction says you should. What it is, is stupid.

And yes, it is unhealthy despite the dubious links you keep bombarding people with.

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 12:58

Toddlerteaplease · 25/03/2026 12:32

I admire the discipline but not allowing water is dangerous. Particularly in hot weather. It’s asking for an acute kidney injury.

Did you see the links I posted saying dry fasting has positive effects on the body?

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Toddlerteaplease · 25/03/2026 12:32

I admire the discipline but not allowing water is dangerous. Particularly in hot weather. It’s asking for an acute kidney injury.

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/03/2026 11:28

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 07:53

You are right. Should have kept it to the Jewish and Mormon fasting.

The reason behind fasting or religion is irrelevant. I am concerned wifh the adverse health effects to some people, predominantly girls in their teens and young women. Me personally? I can regularly have OMAD and be fine as long as I drink a lot of fluids. This is because I don’t have the genetics to become mentally ill when restricting the times when I eat.

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 09:36

Alcoholtakingherlife · 25/03/2026 03:34

We are fasting for lent. Eating after sundown only but we are drinking throughout the day, water only.

This is impressive. I rarely hear of people doing this for lent.

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catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 09:35

PottingBench · 25/03/2026 08:47

I genuinely don't think that it the case.

The people here questioning dry fasting are in the most part doing so due to health concerns or through imagining how it would impact on them. If you don't do it it sounds pretty unpleasant and miserable. The thought of not even being able to have a sip of water to quench thirst is something most people don't like to deal with under any circumstances.

The other thing is the OPs relentless 'but the health benefits'. He made his point very early on in the thread and is hammering it home with evangelical zeal with no acknowledgement that any other poster or source might have a point.

They've also been cagey about whether they fast, their motivations or religion ("just a God as I don't like labels"). It all makes people anti/look for an agenda.

Many posters have said 'fair play, but it's not for me'.

Plenty of people do things that aren’t universally comfortable or appealing and don’t get this level of pushback. There’s clearly a bit more going on than just people politely worrying about hydration.

Also the whole “it sounds unpleasant so I don’t like it” isn’t really an argument, it’s just a personal reaction. Lots of things that require discipline feel unpleasant. That doesn’t make them pointless or something to be dismissed.

On the “relentless health benefits” point, I’ve literally just responded to what people are saying. If people keep coming back with the same points, I’m going to reply. That’s how threads work. It’s not “evangelical zeal”, it’s just not backing down the second someone disagrees.

The bit about being “cagey” is a bit weird. No one owes anyone a full breakdown of their beliefs or personal practices to have a discussion. You can talk about something without turning it into a personal disclosure.

Honestly, a lot of this feels like people are uncomfortable with it and then working backwards to justify why. The number of “fair play but not for me” posts is fine, but there’s also a lot that goes way beyond that into dismissive or hostile territory, which isn’t really about health concerns anymore.

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PottingBench · 25/03/2026 08:47

Helpboat · 25/03/2026 06:42

Op you should have left the word ‘Ramadan’ out and there wouldn’t be so many ‘pressed’ people in this thread.

I genuinely don't think that it the case.

The people here questioning dry fasting are in the most part doing so due to health concerns or through imagining how it would impact on them. If you don't do it it sounds pretty unpleasant and miserable. The thought of not even being able to have a sip of water to quench thirst is something most people don't like to deal with under any circumstances.

The other thing is the OPs relentless 'but the health benefits'. He made his point very early on in the thread and is hammering it home with evangelical zeal with no acknowledgement that any other poster or source might have a point.

They've also been cagey about whether they fast, their motivations or religion ("just a God as I don't like labels"). It all makes people anti/look for an agenda.

Many posters have said 'fair play, but it's not for me'.

ThatCyanCat · 25/03/2026 08:47

Gloriia · 25/03/2026 08:17

I've purposefully referred to 'those fasting'. It does not matter whether Christian or whatever the facts remain the same, you preload.

Seems it matters to OP, though. More biases from the performance of inclusivity.

Although come to think of it, I've never seen an awareness campaign at work about Jewish or Mormon fasting.

Greyblankie · 25/03/2026 08:35

Neurodiversitydoctor · 25/03/2026 07:20

What type of Christian are you that wants to keep it quiet, isn't spreading the faith part of Christ's teachings ? It is refferenced quite a few times in the bible....

If people are to find God, they will. I wouldn’t want a Muslim knocking on my door to spread the word of Islam so I wouldn’t go around preaching to people either.

And it’s not “keeping it quiet”, I’m openly Christian but I don’t need to create a performance over it.

Gloriia · 25/03/2026 08:17

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 07:53

You are right. Should have kept it to the Jewish and Mormon fasting.

I've purposefully referred to 'those fasting'. It does not matter whether Christian or whatever the facts remain the same, you preload.

catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 07:55

Gloriia · 25/03/2026 07:29

No one is fasting. People are binge eating. If I had a banquet for breakfast I'd skip lunch too. Particularly if I knew I was having another massive feast at dusk.

Those complaining that they can't function at work need to not participate or change their jobs so they work shifts.

I've worked with people fasting, I've seen the amount consumed just before dawn and dusk. It is no hardship.

I have also worked with people fasting. Not everyone is consuming a banquet. I don't doubt some do.

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catchingup1 · 25/03/2026 07:53

Helpboat · 25/03/2026 06:42

Op you should have left the word ‘Ramadan’ out and there wouldn’t be so many ‘pressed’ people in this thread.

You are right. Should have kept it to the Jewish and Mormon fasting.

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Gloriia · 25/03/2026 07:46

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 25/03/2026 07:41

I think it’s the lack of drink that is very hard and after a massive meal you generally also feel a bit sluggish.

You just drink in advance, get your quota in. I've been in situations where I knew access to food and drinks would be limited so you preload. Drink a litre with your morning banquet.

I've worked 12hr shifts in a busy department where you'd be lucky to get a sit down never mind a sandwich and we coped with it.

I'm not saying it's ideal but it's certainly doable and not the big song and dance some make it out to be.

UniquePinkSwan · 25/03/2026 07:43

I dry fast all the time. It’s actually really easy. Not for religious reasons though. 36 hrs is better for autophagy

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 25/03/2026 07:41

Gloriia · 25/03/2026 07:29

No one is fasting. People are binge eating. If I had a banquet for breakfast I'd skip lunch too. Particularly if I knew I was having another massive feast at dusk.

Those complaining that they can't function at work need to not participate or change their jobs so they work shifts.

I've worked with people fasting, I've seen the amount consumed just before dawn and dusk. It is no hardship.

I think it’s the lack of drink that is very hard and after a massive meal you generally also feel a bit sluggish.

sashh · 25/03/2026 07:41

catchingup1 · 24/03/2026 12:12

Why do you hate the inclusivity thing? At my workplace, we are invited to join in for all sorts of things:

Lent
Ramadan
Free flags provided to celebrate Pride Week
Walk to work initiatives
Donate to food bank week
Book swap events
Veganuary

People join in if they want or ignore what they want. Nobody is being forced.

Why would anyone want to fast with because you were nil by mouth in hospital? I was nil by mouth myself and did not expect anyone to do the same.

Because in the @BlueMum16 's workplace it is only Ramadan.

I have nothing against inclusivity and celebrating diversity, I used to love teaching that unit.

It's, in my experience, never a Muslim that proposes this, usually someone who doesn't know much about different faiths and cultures.

Gloriia · 25/03/2026 07:29

No one is fasting. People are binge eating. If I had a banquet for breakfast I'd skip lunch too. Particularly if I knew I was having another massive feast at dusk.

Those complaining that they can't function at work need to not participate or change their jobs so they work shifts.

I've worked with people fasting, I've seen the amount consumed just before dawn and dusk. It is no hardship.

SourPenguin · 25/03/2026 07:27

I admire the dedication, but having spent that time in a high school with sleepy, exhausted teenagers who can’t even have a glass of water I do wonder if at that age it does more harm. Some fall asleep, concentration levels are incredibly low and I’m not sure how much of what they are taught over Ramadan has actually gone in.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 25/03/2026 07:24

I am very impressed by the people who can do it as I know I couldn’t so I have a lot of respect for them.
however, I do also see that people fasting for Ramadan do need adjustments at work and are vocal about not being able to perform/function as well as normal, especially in the afternoons. Whilst I get its part of their religion, I do question whether it’s right for people to actively choose to do something that impacts their ability to properly work.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 25/03/2026 07:20

Greyblankie · 25/03/2026 06:40

Of course I’ve “noticed” - I just don’t feel the need to shove it down other people’s throats as religion is (or should be!) a private thing. I don’t need to be “admired” for following my religion

What type of Christian are you that wants to keep it quiet, isn't spreading the faith part of Christ's teachings ? It is refferenced quite a few times in the bible....

Helpboat · 25/03/2026 06:42

Op you should have left the word ‘Ramadan’ out and there wouldn’t be so many ‘pressed’ people in this thread.

Greyblankie · 25/03/2026 06:40

Neurodiversitydoctor · 25/03/2026 03:27

Have you not noticed it is lent aka a Christian time of fasting and abstinence ? I am a Christian and plan to live below the line next week for Holly week. It helps me to think of those with less and I give the money to Charity.

Of course I’ve “noticed” - I just don’t feel the need to shove it down other people’s throats as religion is (or should be!) a private thing. I don’t need to be “admired” for following my religion

FishersGate · 25/03/2026 06:30

Cerialkiller · 23/03/2026 19:27

I'm of the belief that traditions like this, while often set within a religious framework, are actually highly beneficial things that stayed because they were good practices regardless. We are only recently rediscovering how healthy fasting is and the science behind it.

I don't fast for religious reasons but I have to say it's been a real revelation, especially how...fine I feel. Better then fine really. Clear headed, slimmer etc. and that's just 36 hour water fast. It feels empowering and food tastes amazing afterwards.

Edited

Except a recent study linked it to higher cardiovascular issues