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Husband’s female colleague’s issue being taken very seriously.

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Sweetmarzipan · 23/03/2026 13:28

So background. DH works in a fairly male dominated industry.

When he first started in this company he would be away fairly often. One or two nights away every 4/6 weeks. One week in April and the odd conference.

I almost always went with him if I could for no other reason than the free hotel. If there were other colleagues they would have have their spouses with them as well. We became friends with many of them and still socialise. Irrelevant to my post but we always had separate bills and we never exploited expenses and we never saw other colleagues do this either but obviously the room was the same price regardless of occupancy.

Covid came along and other ways of doing things came about so audits etc were done remotely and these trips are now few and far between.

Last week I did join him for the first time in probably 6 months. He was leaving the centre with a male colleague in his fifties and a female colleague (mid thirties but I don’t know if anyone will find ages relevant) who had joined the company around three to six months ago (DH and colleague differ on the dates).

As they left to check into hotel the female colleague asked if they were eating, but they said that they had their wives with them and the male colleague said that she was welcome to join them but she declined. We had booked a pub meal on our own.

They were all together on Friday but over the weekend she has made a complaint suggesting that I and the other colleague’s wife had deliberately tagged along as they believed she would be unprofessional and inappropriate.

An email has now gone out saying that spouses are no longer able to tag along.

Colleague was spoken to face to face and the bosses did seem apologetic. DH was on a site and saw the email and was phoned by one of the directors again with apologies.

Surely she should have been told about the culture of the company. I am really gobsmacked. Two other wives have texted me this morning and they feel the same. We had a really nice lifestyle there which is bound to have created a nice work environment.

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · 24/03/2026 16:32

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 16:13

And you think not allowing a spouse free accommodation on an employee’s work trip would be classed as a breach? I’ve heard it all now.

The room costs the same whether there’s one occupant or two.

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 16:30

the7Vabo · 24/03/2026 15:54

The OP’s husband works in audit where he goes away for short periods to work on audits. You’ve described a very senior role, where even if the OP’s husband was an audit partner he wouldn’t be at that level.
There’s obviously a difference between very senior roles and most roles. I know a guy who works like your husband but he’s a CEO, he’s not comparable to the guy doing the audit.

I do live in a different world to your husband, so do most people as senior executives are only a handful of the workforce.

Edited

Appreciate that my DH is senior now, but he wasn’t always and is also a qualified accountant so his work role in finance is not too dissimilar - and his work day and expectations are not really that different from when he was junior, so haven’t change: eat sleep work, repeat, get on a plane somewhere, same schedule at home/somewhere else.

A ‘work trip’ in the way many seem to perceive it here isn’t how he would describe business trips. They are visits to other offices - and are just the same work, with different regional teams, in different offices, meeting with local finance officials in each jurisdiction. The aim is usually to get F2F time with team members in each office, to build rapport, and get to know them in person rather than via zoom. I imagine senior audit staff have similar days. I was in audit myself once and it was no different, really, just substitute client for another office.

Travel, accommodation and meal budget don’t make it a ‘trip’ - they are to cover the practical expenses associated with facilitating the work being carried out.

Hellometime · 24/03/2026 16:30

I don’t think it’s outdated. Many people have diagnosis of autism/adhd/anxiety or health needs. Over 80% of men in 50s overweight or obese, good chance many diabetic or cpap machine users.
I suspect what will happen is staff may go down reasonable adjustments route if there is a blanket ban and one expensive occupational health report later upshot will be same that spouse can accompany.

HollaHolla · 24/03/2026 16:21

I think taking the spouse along is pretty outdated, TBF. I used to travel a lot for work - UK and internationally. On occasion, I had a pal/my Mum join me at the end of my work trip, and we stayed on (at our own expense, obviously!) Once or twice, they were there the last night of the work week, as we were often away Sun-Sat, so we could work the full five days. They had to understand, however, that work came first, and if we had to work late, or entertain colleagues at the partner company, then that came first.
I think that a request to have someone else there, sharing the hotel room, would have been pretty looked down upon. I don't know why, but it just doesn't feel very professional to me. (Just my gut feeling.)
So, could you go meet him at the end, and pay to stay on an extra night or two?

Boomer55 · 24/03/2026 16:20

Thingcanonlygetbetter · 23/03/2026 13:39

There is always one! What a silly woman, you invited her for the dinner so it’s not like she had to be on her own.
she has just f@cked the set up for everyone. Could your husband and other people who took wives not push back on this as she has told a lie about the reason you were there.

This. She sounds like a professional victim of something only in her own mind . 🙄

wordler · 24/03/2026 16:19

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 16:05

Urgh imagine having to sit there like a spare part at a wedding while your colleagues and their spouses treat a work trip like a holiday - can’t think of anything worse.

Why would it bother you any more than the fact they have a partner when they are in the home office?

Work is done for the day just the same at home or away.

If someone’s spouse comes to the home office to meet them and go for a drink - how is that different from their spouse meeting them in the hotel bar?

Hellometime · 24/03/2026 16:17

Banning spouses/partners doesn’t mean the colleagues will socialise though. There’s no requirement to socialise with colleagues outside work hours.
It doesn’t follow get wives banned they’ll suddenly all want to hang out together.
Both men could meet friends for dinner next month, not breaching the new no wives rule but still opting to eat with a none employee not with that colleague. She’s still eating alone unless she makes her own plans like they do.

Thatsalineallright · 24/03/2026 16:15

SerendipityJane · 24/03/2026 16:03

So bad luck if you are single

It's not your colleagues' responsibility to keep you company in your free time just because you're single. If everyone wants to have dinner together then that's lovely, but if not then as grown adults people should sort themselves out.

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 16:13

RawBloomers · 24/03/2026 16:06

The laws would be the EHRC article 8 and the Human Rights Act 1998 (which required UK courts to interpret all law in keeping with the EHRC). This means that when the courts (any court, but mainly Employment Tribunals) rule on the reasonableness of management instructions one of the things they consider is whether such an instruction breaches the employees right to a private and family life, and if it does so then whether such instruction is proportionate and in pursuit of a legitimate aim.

And you think not allowing a spouse free accommodation on an employee’s work trip would be classed as a breach? I’ve heard it all now.

Thatsalineallright · 24/03/2026 16:12

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 16:05

Urgh imagine having to sit there like a spare part at a wedding while your colleagues and their spouses treat a work trip like a holiday - can’t think of anything worse.

Why would you be just "sitting there?" If your work is finished for the day why don't you go to the cinema, or order room service, or go shopping or whatever else catches your fancy?

I don't see why colleagues have to hang out with each other in their free time. If they want to, of course that's fine, but there's nothing wrong with saying goodbye at the end of the work day and going your own way.

RawBloomers · 24/03/2026 16:06

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 14:36

I’m not the one fixated on who people sleep with - that’s what I was referring to in terms of ridiculousness. And what “courts” are you talking about? What law are you referencing?

The laws would be the EHRC article 8 and the Human Rights Act 1998 (which required UK courts to interpret all law in keeping with the EHRC). This means that when the courts (any court, but mainly Employment Tribunals) rule on the reasonableness of management instructions one of the things they consider is whether such an instruction breaches the employees right to a private and family life, and if it does so then whether such instruction is proportionate and in pursuit of a legitimate aim.

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 16:05

SerendipityJane · 24/03/2026 16:03

So bad luck if you are single

Urgh imagine having to sit there like a spare part at a wedding while your colleagues and their spouses treat a work trip like a holiday - can’t think of anything worse.

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 16:03

SerendipityJane · 24/03/2026 15:57

If they are real 😀

I guess we are probably not the sort of people whose first thought is "it's all about me". My first thought (and frankly only thought) is how the management - especially the executive management - have allowed such a can of worms to build up withough someone saying

"Er, you know how we always let staff bring their (heterosexual) spouses on work outings ? Has anyone checked to see if that policy, official or not, has any implications for us legally ? In particular how it might be viewed from the point of view of ensuring we treat employees according to the various obligations of the 2010 EA ?"

Obsessing over who raised the issue and their possible motives - with decreasing connection to reality - seems a tad odd to me.

Having spent more time than I ever wanted to working out how my team could be invited to an extracurricular event a couple of years ago, I thought I was au fait with some of the issues.

It’s utterly bizarre! And so many people seem to be struggling with the concept of what work is for. And your point is a really good one, I would certainly be uncomfortable in a company that had the culture of inviting spouses on work trips, because as a lesbian, I tend to prefer to not refer to my wife in certain work situations as it can (and has) led to me being treated differently. I like a culture of professionalism where home is left at home and work is for work.

I mean, all this nonsense really does take the “bring your whole self to work” mantra to the extreme!

SerendipityJane · 24/03/2026 16:03

RawBloomers · 24/03/2026 16:01

It's not the work that's bad, it's the being away from home. Research is pretty clear that traveling for work is generally bad for employees wellbeing and that taking a companion improves things.

So bad luck if you are single

RawBloomers · 24/03/2026 16:01

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 14:38

What’s the bad situation? Going on a work trip?

God no wonder productivity is so low: the horror of having to do a bit of work!

It's not the work that's bad, it's the being away from home. Research is pretty clear that traveling for work is generally bad for employees wellbeing and that taking a companion improves things.

RawBloomers · 24/03/2026 15:58

SpaceRaccoon · 24/03/2026 14:54

I mean not necessarily just for work. If the stint is a long one then clearly there's going to be downtime too. And so what if that downtime is with a spouse or partner?
Does the thought of people enjoying themselves somehow irk you?

Did you mean to quote me? Because we seem to be on the same "side" here.

SerendipityJane · 24/03/2026 15:57

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 14:02

Haha yeah you’re probably right - I’m just baffled by this thread to be honest. There’s a lot of strange behaviour in some companies that’s for sure!

If they are real 😀

I guess we are probably not the sort of people whose first thought is "it's all about me". My first thought (and frankly only thought) is how the management - especially the executive management - have allowed such a can of worms to build up withough someone saying

"Er, you know how we always let staff bring their (heterosexual) spouses on work outings ? Has anyone checked to see if that policy, official or not, has any implications for us legally ? In particular how it might be viewed from the point of view of ensuring we treat employees according to the various obligations of the 2010 EA ?"

Obsessing over who raised the issue and their possible motives - with decreasing connection to reality - seems a tad odd to me.

Having spent more time than I ever wanted to working out how my team could be invited to an extracurricular event a couple of years ago, I thought I was au fait with some of the issues.

LittleMonks11 · 24/03/2026 15:56

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 15:42

Pretty sure Mrs Branson has a completely different existence to this frankly (edits are visible as you know).

Whether you are Manchester, Berlin or Bognor - the working day is pretty much uniform wherever you are for most people.

I deleted that when I quickly remembered she had died.

the7Vabo · 24/03/2026 15:54

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 15:01

Perhaps you do live in a different world to the 50+ aged men taking their spouses, then? Which is what several of us, including OP I gather, are?

My DH is a senior exec with a FTSE100 company. He hasn’t done a 9-5 DAY in his entire working life and is on call 24/7, 365 days a year as his teams are spread across all the continents and time zone. He is processing emails/ calls/ documents/ whatever is Trump is doing from the moment he wakes up until he goes to bed and often over the weekends; and has not had a holiday in a decade that hasn’t involved mornings on emergency board meetings/zooms in our hotel room while I distract the kids at the pool. I suspect OP and others here have similar experiences.

The quid pro quo for a member of staff of his level being on call is based on trust and decades of professional respect that he has earned as a result. It isn’t that the company can dictate how they spend their evenings - and who with - when they have to visit a non- ‘home’ office, any more than they can when they are at home. If DH wants to take a few hours off to go sightseeing - on his own or with me when I go, if he knows people in the city [as he often does now] he will meet them for drinks and beers - it doesn’t mean he is in anyway ‘not focused’ on the business he is in the city to do. He is in no way less professional when he is meeting old colleagues, friends and family in far flung cities after a long day, than he is when he is holed up in his room alone, eating a room service meal with his laptop for company. I find it odd that you feel you would be.

He’s planned for me to start joining him because other senior people do occasionally take their spouses, and we are finally in a position where I can pack a bag, jump on an easy jet flight and join him without a moment’s thought for the kids - and the company clearly have no issue with it.

The OP’s husband works in audit where he goes away for short periods to work on audits. You’ve described a very senior role, where even if the OP’s husband was an audit partner he wouldn’t be at that level.
There’s obviously a difference between very senior roles and most roles. I know a guy who works like your husband but he’s a CEO, he’s not comparable to the guy doing the audit.

I do live in a different world to your husband, so do most people as senior executives are only a handful of the workforce.

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 15:43

wordler · 24/03/2026 15:34

I think some of the disconnect on this thread may be that ‘work trips’ means something very different to different people.

Some are seeing it as a special group thing rather than just doing your work day in a different location.

Indeed, that is what I’ve been trying to get across too. Business travel is really rather mundane 99% of the time.

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 15:42

LittleMonks11 · 24/03/2026 15:34

i think you’re talking about a different kind of existence

Edited

Pretty sure Mrs Branson has a completely different existence to this frankly (edits are visible as you know).

Whether you are Manchester, Berlin or Bognor - the working day is pretty much uniform wherever you are for most people.

wordler · 24/03/2026 15:34

I think some of the disconnect on this thread may be that ‘work trips’ means something very different to different people.

Some are seeing it as a special group thing rather than just doing your work day in a different location.

LittleMonks11 · 24/03/2026 15:34

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 15:26

Yes - working from the home/UK office is generally no different to working in the overseas office.

Breakfast and dinner still eaten before and after the working day.

The only thing that changes is that the office in which the meetings take place. Work trips are really NOT that sexy. You get up, eat, go to an office, get signed in my security and issued a pass, you work/have meetings, and then when the scheduled day is done, you head home or to a hotel. It might be 42 degrees outside if you are in AbuDabi or Texas or Singapore, it might be chuffing cold on the schlep across Chicago or New York, the dog may yak up on your briefcase when you get home… but the evening meal in yet another soulless hotel or great local restaurant, a bit of telly, and a review of any emails is generally the norm before bed.

i think you’re talking about a different kind of existence

Hellometime · 24/03/2026 15:33

KatsPJs · 24/03/2026 15:27

This has nothing to do with reasonable adjustments though-that is a completely separate point and not at all relevant here.

You can’t say that though. They may have never needed to declare any health needs as custom and practice until Monday was for spouse to be able to tag along.

CautiousLurker2 · 24/03/2026 15:32

Actually I can’t bear the stupidity on this thread any more - the way some posters are responding it is a bloody wonder that employees are allowed to work anywhere other than from their homes, and even then there would need to be a risk assessment before they were allowed to pull out the dining room chair.

Ridiculous. I am out.