To not understand why my healthy (I think) way of eating isn't making me feel energetic and fabulous

I think that sounds super healthy. On other days do you have lentils, beans and chickpeas for different types of protein? Just watch out for low iron and maybe take a supplement.

Hear, hear. And if i may add, I think the food industry does its best to tempt you with ultraprocessed foods, all cheaper than the alternatives that are healthy yet a lot more expensive. Then if you're lucky unfortunately someone who also has health problems because of said food, the pharmaceutical industry makes a nice sum from your medication prescribing.

Ha. I'm not that cynical, really. 😳

That study says EXACTLY the opposite. That carbs have a negative effect on thyroid function and high protein and fat a positive effect. I don't want to be a dick, but it proves you flat out wrong. Am I missing something about your point?

I will retract my comment about carbs. The criticism is fair. I do not mean fruit and vegetables - it's impractical to eat enough for it to be a problem unless you process them. I mean grains. They really do have limited nutritional value, and are not a natural food. I'm not an idiot. Nor do I parrot theories without checking it. I've a degree in biology and one in health, although not nutrition. And I obsessed over this for months, reading everything I could get my hands on. I know how to critique a source.

It's fair to question it. I would However, you can't just say 'rubbish' and stop there - you are no more credible than I am.

Also, consider the possibility of evidence. Food is a HUGE industry. Snack and convenience food especially. Who is going to fund large scale, long term studies into whether a diet of unprocessed meat, vegetables, fruit and dairy products is healthy? Where's the profit? You cannot ignore that food is mainly about profit.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0899900721002562

I would be very interested to review the evidence for this. Are you able to provide citations?

I'm invested because people saying this is a low protein day are talking shite and I'm invested in calling out people talking shite about nutrition on mumsnet because it's harmful.

Nonsense. Op is getting plenty of protein.

I completely agree. The arguments I’ve had on some threads where people are recommending 1000 calories and other ridiculous advice.

Your post stated she wasnt getting enough protein. Now you have admitted you wouldnt know whether she is or not.

She is perfectly able to get enough protein on what she set out.

HCP all differ in their advice, I was told that around 60ish per day is ample protein and that the amoutns of around 90 - 120 are exaggerated as requirements.

MN really needs to regulate shitty diet advice. It's turning into a pro-ana site around here.

I am genuinely shocked by some of the dietary advice on this thread, all delivered with such authority!

All carbs are processed my arse. All this sugar spike and crash misinformation. Nobody gets a sugar crash from a ruddy banana.

Sorry that was in response to someone saying you eat a lot of carbs (didn't manage to quote it properly in my reply). I know a lot of people eat for fuel and health but I hope you find pleasure in what you eat too and that you find the answers to your energy levels that you're looking for.

Are the carbs in the room with us?! Yes, yes I know there are carbs in fruit and vegetables, but I mean starchy carbs - I can only see that in the one snack and rice as a maybe with dinner. Honestly I'd be absolutely starving and lacking energy eating that diet.

Why are you so invested in insisting this is enough protein? You cannot possibly calculate macros without knowing the exact portion of each food, so your calculation is at best just a guess. I seriously doubt this is 90g of protein, as someone who has been calculating macros for the past year and knowing how hard it is to hit that goal. I didn’t see anything about macros nor the calories. If I missed it sorry, calorie counting is useless imho. I’m not suggesting she lose weight at all. I was simply providing background on my situation and my lack of understanding about protein. My suggestion to the OP would be to calculate her macros and start from there.

If this day of food represented around 1700 calories then around 90g of that would be protein. I doubt OP weighs more than 90kg if she's eating 1700 calories to maintain her weight. Of course she may be eating much larger or much smaller portions than that estimate but again, OP said she's not looking to lose weight which suggests this is her maintenance level from which we can extrapolate her approximate weight in proportion to the calories she is eating.
Basically, this is plenty of protein, even with the 1g per kg metric.

Poster has obviously never heard of complex carbs, we need carbs for brain function, muscles etc. 45-65% of daily calories come from healthy carbohydrates. I’m 60 no health issues, bursting with life, I eat the old fashioned way and weigh 8st 12lb.

My family all have iron deficiencies/anaemia and we often feel tired and exhausted despite eating the best diet. It's frustrating but on the other hand there's no point pouring your effort and energy into tweaking a pretty good diet when you need to be paying attention elsewhere (walks, fresh air, water, all free stuff, iron supplements if you need them, sleep).

As for that post on carbs, I'm still laughing...I eat sweet pots, basmati rice, stoneground flour from a local mill and lots of oats, bulgar wheat...lots of processed white carbs are terrible for you, but there's so many other carbs you can have, plus many foods have carbs and protein and fibre in them- beans and lentils for starters. I did a protein/vegetable diet for a year, I did lose weight but boy, I did not feel good.

Meat but you might be a vegatarian. You need pulses annd legumes annd nuts. and you need to take a good supplement, look at British Supplements ‘stacks’ page. Maybe take a high strength Omega 3 supplement. My eye surgeon told me if he was in charge he’d have everyone on them. Try denser fish like haddock or monkfish.

I'm similar age, my diet is similar and I'm very fit - I walk 5+ miles a day and do regular workouts. I couldn't understand why I often felt drained and was getting out of breath walking up hills. Someone suggested I was low on iron. A £5 blood test (from Amazon) confirmed that was the case. I've started taking a supplement and have also added more iron rich food to my diet and am hoping to get my zip back soon.

Because smoothies are blended you digest it quicker and doesn’t fill you up as long as. As well as the sugars in it makes it high GI. So you will get a sudden increase in blood sugar but an hour or so later the blood sugar goes down. It’s better to eat fruit spaced out throughout the day.

This is true. And if you already have any kind of hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's, you particularly need carbs as they help convert T4 to T3, which is essential for Levothyroxine to be effective.

No kidding. She needs to eat more sugar for energy? Er, no.

The recommendation is 1g of protein per kg of weight as a minimum. More if the OP is older and trying to maintain her muscle. Those all are sources of protein, yes, and it does depend on portion sizes. But these are not particularly high protein sources except the salmon. If the OP weighs 60kg, she needs to get to 20g protein per meal. I would say more to feel energetic. I say this as someone who has lost 25kg in the past year eating 100g of protein a day. And I do eat carbs. I actually used to eat more like what she is describing and my dietician absolutely told me you are eating too little and not enough protein. I have never felt better, I am 53 and her advice has changed my life. Just trying to be helpful with my experience not saying I am an expert but I took an expert’s advice.

Carbs play a role in the production of thyroid hormones, and are therefore essential for optimal thyroid function. VLC/ketogenic diets may damage your thyroid.