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AIBU to object to a large co-living dwvelopment near my home?

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Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 20:20

I live in the North East. The local paper published an article yesterday about someone applying to turn a shop near me into a "large co-living development' with 18 rooms and communal area. Aimed at young professionals apparently and they're denying it's a HMO.

It's obviously a HMO

There's no parking. The space is small. It's 3 minutes walk from a primary school. I've looked up the developers - they're based in London.

Would you object?

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Sidebeforeself · 21/03/2026 22:54

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:43

People with kids won't fit into a compact room. I don't think it's melodramatic - surely a list of crimes like that shouldn't statistically occur on 1 street?

I meant how do you think primary schools in other dodgy areas cope?

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:53

What if this is a large HMO filled with people who don't work, hanging round all day?

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caringcarer · 21/03/2026 22:49

Birch101 · 21/03/2026 21:31

Well someone who can't afford their own studio or 1bed to rent, doesn't want to share a bathroom with strangers and I am assume will have a weekly cleaner it's basically living in halls but with other workers not students,

if they do it right should have utility room and decent size en suite bedrooms and enough kitchen storage space for everyone.

Personally it's better if it's a large block as you can add in things like libraries and cinema rooms and you'd have regular cleaners so yes that doesn't sound great but still better than some of the house shares where you have to share a bathroom with some randoms

A lot of young professionals living in a city don't have cars. They use the bus or Ubers. It allows them to save whilst having decent living accommodation. People have to live somewhere. Personally I'd prefer to live next to a larger unit with young professionals out at work all day than several smaller HMO's filled with people who don't work so often hanging around all day.

carnivalcat · 21/03/2026 22:46

IME they aren’t really like house shares. They are a collection of tiny studio apartments (which usually fall below recommended limits) and this is supposedly offset by shared amenity areas like common rooms, roof terraces etc

fashionqueen0123 · 21/03/2026 22:43

You can object easily on the council website. Just find the application.
Zero parking will hopefully mean it won’t pass

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:43

Sidebeforeself · 21/03/2026 22:41

Don’t be so melodramatic. And there are primary schools in “ bad” areas all over the country cos.. guess what.. poor people’s kids have to go to school too.

People with kids won't fit into a compact room. I don't think it's melodramatic - surely a list of crimes like that shouldn't statistically occur on 1 street?

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Fluffyhoglets · 21/03/2026 22:42

Definitely object if you live nearby. Councils are often trying to prevent a high number of HMOs in one area as it causes problems to saturate an area with over occupied crappy bedsits. They will not be used for young professionals. They are trying to cram as many people into one property as possible to maximise the rental income - which will be the same as the benefits amount obtainable in your area.

Sidebeforeself · 21/03/2026 22:41

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:02

If this development attracts the same kind of people as the one nearby then it'll be rapists, drug dealers, growers, people who attack others with machetes.

Don’t be so melodramatic. And there are primary schools in “ bad” areas all over the country cos.. guess what.. poor people’s kids have to go to school too.

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:40

likelysuspect · 21/03/2026 22:38

How are they going to fit 18 rooms in a building that was a cafe and then 2 flats on it?

Are you sure you have that bit right?

Theres another thread running at the moment about someone looking for accommodation in London. Her options are a house share, which is what this would be

I dont know what Sunderland is like for prices of rentals or availability. I presume its more affordable that some areas but is there availability for the numbers who need it? Is this fulfiling a need?

I'm no architect but can't see how they'd fit! The article says they'll be 'compact'

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likelysuspect · 21/03/2026 22:40

Car free developments are a farce because in reality people need cars so they just park elsewhere.

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:39

carnivalcat · 21/03/2026 22:37

Before you object you need to check when the public consultation is (or if it’s already passed).

You need to look into what counts as a material consideration and what doesn’t. Fear of crime can amount to a material consideration but it cannot be based on speculation, there’s a 3 stage test to set it out. Things like overdevelopment, amenity etc are but loss of private view, devaluing homes etc generally aren’t. The officers/Cllrs can only consider the planning policies & material considerations when making their decision so stick to that. “I don’t like the look of it” won’t get you anywhere.

We’ve had some of these in our LA and generally the room sizes don’t meet recommendations. You could check the plans and make something of that.

I am seeing increasing “car free” developments and that is sold as a good thing - less emissions and encouraging cycling (lots have cycle stores).

Badgering local Cllrs can help (one of them may speak against it at committee which helps). Petitions are good if you can get a lot of local support. Articles in the local paper help if there is public objection. Cllrs don’t like to make decisions which the public won’t like (if they can help it).

Thank you. I searched the plans on the council website and there was about 12 documents uploaded (plans etc) but all had error codes when I tried to download them.

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likelysuspect · 21/03/2026 22:38

How are they going to fit 18 rooms in a building that was a cafe and then 2 flats on it?

Are you sure you have that bit right?

Theres another thread running at the moment about someone looking for accommodation in London. Her options are a house share, which is what this would be

I dont know what Sunderland is like for prices of rentals or availability. I presume its more affordable that some areas but is there availability for the numbers who need it? Is this fulfiling a need?

carnivalcat · 21/03/2026 22:37

Before you object you need to check when the public consultation is (or if it’s already passed).

You need to look into what counts as a material consideration and what doesn’t. Fear of crime can amount to a material consideration but it cannot be based on speculation, there’s a 3 stage test to set it out. Things like overdevelopment, amenity etc are but loss of private view, devaluing homes etc generally aren’t. The officers/Cllrs can only consider the planning policies & material considerations when making their decision so stick to that. “I don’t like the look of it” won’t get you anywhere.

We’ve had some of these in our LA and generally the room sizes don’t meet recommendations. You could check the plans and make something of that.

I am seeing increasing “car free” developments and that is sold as a good thing - less emissions and encouraging cycling (lots have cycle stores).

Badgering local Cllrs can help (one of them may speak against it at committee which helps). Petitions are good if you can get a lot of local support. Articles in the local paper help if there is public objection. Cllrs don’t like to make decisions which the public won’t like (if they can help it).

TheSmallAssassin · 21/03/2026 22:35

Isn't an HMO just a house share? No wonder we have so many young people living with their parents if we've all become horrified of people sharing houses. This was literally what everyone I knew did until they got coupled up or, more unusually, could afford a place on their own.

The co-living places around us are too expensive for young professionals, so they are stood empty.

likelysuspect · 21/03/2026 22:32

Sidebeforeself · 21/03/2026 20:44

What’s being near a primary school got to do with it?

Im wondering this. The most puzzling part of it.

cestlavielife · 21/03/2026 22:32

Where do these people come from op? Are they housed from.prison? Is it a hmo specifically for ex offenders? Or does living in an hmo turn them into criminals? Is unclear what you mean really.
Have the machete wielders been arrested? Have the drug dealers been arrested?
For example maybe it is ained at key workers young teachers doctors social workers etc
Will they turn into machete wielding drug dealers because they share communal spaces?

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:30

YourShyLion · 21/03/2026 22:25

Sorry missed your last post.

This is a completely ridiculous way to think. You've been reading far too many issues of certain newspapers and watching too much of certain tv stations.

For goodness sake, leave other people alone and stop being so bigoted, judgemental and nasty. Your views are based on hate speech. Please educate yourself!

I'm not reading anything (although I did follow the latest rape case as an ex student of mine was found guilty of it)

I know people who live in the street. I know people whose kids have been offered drugs. I know a paramedic who dealt with a stabbing in one of the HMOs recently. I'm not sitting in an ivory tower reading the Daily Mail - I live in the North East, on a council estate. I'm not clutching my pearls and wanting to banish the peasants to the slums

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Doggymummar · 21/03/2026 22:28

JulietteHasAGun · 21/03/2026 21:46

Agree with this. Dd lives in a massive coliving building aimed at young professionals. The building is 50 floors high and there must be about 40-50 people on each floor. Not a single parking space and that was actually considered a positive when planning permission was granted. They don’t want cars and the traffic impact, they want people who are happy to walk/use public transport.

Her building is quite upmarket I would say. Certainly no issue with drugs or poor behaviour. She’s a young professional, they all have ensuite rooms, her flat has a shared kitchen and sitting area. The building has a large communal area (and a gym). It’s very sought after.

This seems to be the new model in Brighton to. They are safe secure but expensive to my mind. Fully furnished you just bring your clothes

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:26

YourShyLion · 21/03/2026 22:22

I don't understand what difference it makes if it's "young professionals" or not.

If it's somewhere people can live safely and happily then that's got to be a good thing surely? Or am I missing something

I think it's that nobody round here believes it is actually aimed at young professionals and that it's an HMO in disguise. This is because other HMOs nearby were also billed as being for young professionals but actually house people who commit terrible crimes.

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Doggymummar · 21/03/2026 22:26

HotRootsAndNaughtyToots · 21/03/2026 20:45

Those waiting to get on the housing ladder and not wanting to live with students for a start

Me at 35 fleeing DV and it's all I could afford

YourShyLion · 21/03/2026 22:25

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:17

It's not about what they look like. The HMOs nearby have housed people who are rapists (convicted whilst living in the HMO, having raped women in it) and drug dealers and machete wielders

I'm sure that statistically that many crimes wouldn't occur on a street without an hmo

Sorry missed your last post.

This is a completely ridiculous way to think. You've been reading far too many issues of certain newspapers and watching too much of certain tv stations.

For goodness sake, leave other people alone and stop being so bigoted, judgemental and nasty. Your views are based on hate speech. Please educate yourself!

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 22:24

grizzlyoldbear · 21/03/2026 22:23

This thread is boring.
Move out if you don't want an a co-living space near you. Sounds like you don't like the area much anyway.
The end.

Don't read it then!

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HangingOver · 21/03/2026 22:24

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 20:43

I want to be open minded but what professional wants to live in a bedsit with shared communal area and no parking? I just can't see it.

You can have a job and still be broke

grizzlyoldbear · 21/03/2026 22:23

This thread is boring.
Move out if you don't want an a co-living space near you. Sounds like you don't like the area much anyway.
The end.

YourShyLion · 21/03/2026 22:22

Mathsdebator · 21/03/2026 20:43

I want to be open minded but what professional wants to live in a bedsit with shared communal area and no parking? I just can't see it.

I don't understand what difference it makes if it's "young professionals" or not.

If it's somewhere people can live safely and happily then that's got to be a good thing surely? Or am I missing something