Is receiving £30k pa on benefits “living in poverty”?!

It’s not meant to be easy. Money from the ever depleting public purse is being offered out here. DWP need to get it right, so however difficult it might be, all the appropriate questions and information needs to be obtained. Lots of online help out there to help with completion….

Yep you did. By manipulation to fit your own agenda. Thats the definition of ‘attempted entrapment by people who aren’t half as clever as they like to think they are’……

Currently filling in a DLA form for my son. It isn't as easy as people think!

My niece gets UC & PIP high rate for both
live in a council house 2 kids
she transferred over from the old ESA system so gets a bit more money because of that

her rent is 400 a month
council tax around 200 a month she gets 100 rebate on this for both rent / council tax

What she has for herself after rent and council is paid is 1k from having LCWRA And pip 700

then child benefit 160 for her 2 kids
640 for both of her children on UC

add it all up it’s roughly 3150 a month
yearly is roughly 37k

minus of the rent & council tax it’s roughly 30k a year or 2500 a month to live on

her prescriptions are free

A healthy / non-disabled person on benefits is much poorer than a healthy/non-disabled person working full time and on minimum wage.

If you look at my PP, you will see the figures for benefits.

The irony being as a single parent earning £42k I’m expected to live off that with zero help or benefits! My friend earns £28k and work minimum hours to receive benefits that take her wage up to £43k - the irony! The system is ridiculous and something Labour will never acknowledge - they are not a party of the working people. They are clueless! And they will never receive my vote again!

The main issue with the benefits bill is that old people are living so long. I am in my sixties myself so heading that way.

When the state pension was introduced, it was intended to prevent poverty and homelessness for about ten years after retirement.

The silent generation and boomers are living another thirty years. And of course with the boomers, there’s just so many of them. We can’t afford it because people can’t afford to have children (aka future taxpayers) to pay those pensions.

But in the same way as we can’t send people’s babies back, we really can’t start culling our old folk. At some point the old age pension will have to be based on need rather than being universal.

And the money paid in benefits was only the interest element, not the capital, so the actual cost of the property wasn't covered.

The number of people claiming disability benefits is rising from what I understand but because people are being given smaller and smaller amounts (hence stories in the disability news press about people being forced to live off dog food and cases of people starving to death), the amount spent is not going up by all that much. Fewer people working, however, is bad news but all the evidence suggests that we are seeing increasing levels of genuine disability which we cannot just pretend isn't happening. We must work out how to help people who are not able to work. Not just "slash" their incomes.

I already answered that question in my initial post and I don't appreciate attempted entrapment by people who aren't half as clever as they like to tell themselves they are.

Exactly
people think low pay = low skilled. I’ve never earned more than 29k
jobs I’ve had include emergency services call handler and working for a prestige car brand
if you want to tell me handling 999 calls is low level and low skill then go watch Ambulance and come back to the thread. I still hear some of those calls in my sleep

I think my rent is under 400pm its paid by uc

It's understandable if your DC and their partner are high earners. People generally choose homes that they can afford.

I was saying that anyone who is on benefits that tries to rent a £2k a month property is a clown.

When i had my 2 children both me and their father were working full time. Now im main carer for my oldest and my dh cant work.

What am I meant to do with my children? I cant send them back.

I'm on benefits and ADP and receive approximately 17 000 per year

@XenoBitch that's the problem, isn't it? I don't think the children should suffer because their parents made poor choices, but I also don't think the parents should be rewarded for having 6 children whilst not working. I don't know what the answer is.

No one on benefits is "rich".

Someone on more benefits than the "poorest person that works" will have disabilities and/or disabled kids.

Would you like to swap you wage for their disabilities? Yeah, thought not.

The poorest person that works full time should be better off than the richest person on benefits.

A bad decision, but if you don't pay them benefits then the kids suffer.
What do you think is the answer to this? Especially when the kids are already here.

The vast majority of us are living in poverty due to the cost of housing and living.
I earn over double that and am scraping by as I live in a high housing cost area and get no help with anything due to being above the thresholds and raising kids on my income.
I would definitely be in dire poverty on 30k a year trying to live where I live.
Wages have stagnated so much and costs have rocketed.
Dont blame those on 30k benefits. Blame those 1 percent who are just taking all the cash and pumping it into their pockets

I listened to that article. It. Said neither she nor her husband had worked for over 10 years, but three of their six children were under 0. The youngest was 3. So they chose to have at least 3 of their children whilst unemployed.

No one is saying that all people on benefits enjoy a life of luxury. It depends what context you’re putting on luxury. Some will feel a take away each week is luxury. Not all luxury is defined by going on multiple holidays and affording designer clothes. But the reality is that a lot of people not working will prefer to live and just get by on benefits, rather than go out to work.

Well, there they are here now. What do you suggest? She shove them back up into her uterus?

And people who can not work? Or who do not yet have a job? They can't live off fresh air.

Well perhaps they shouldn’t have had six kids!