Is receiving £30k pa on benefits “living in poverty”?!

If they receive that much in benefits they obvious may have lots of kids and big bills, if they were on 42k they’d probably still get some uc benefits top up

Even basic UC and child benefit would not be enough for them all to have takeaways each day.
You are making this up. It is simply not possible.
Have a look at the Gov website and see what people get. They could not afford daily takeaways for their whole family.
You have an agenda.

I have know the family. They talk about their life. There's child benefits involved as well. And lo and behold the child refuses to go to school and has no motivation to do anything in his life.

I call bullshit on this because if they are not disabled then they will be on the bare minimum of UC, and no one can afford regular takeaways on that.

Course I can disapprove. Beggars can't be choosers. They aren't disabled. Perfectly healthy. A family with no ambition and no education. Do they use UC for groceries to cook meals for their kids? No. Takeaway every time and get it delivered as well. As a taxpayer I've had enough of this.

How do you know what benefits they are on?

No one can afford daily takeaways on basic UC. It is £400pm. You can barely afford the basics on that.

I suspect there will be a drip feed as to how the whole family is morbidly obese, and that is why they are on benefits and it is their fault and they should have all money stopped.

They aren't disabled. It's just refusing to work, low income UC stuff

If they struggle to cook it’s quite likely they’d also struggle to collect a takeaway

So you just disapprove as to how they spend their money.

People on benefits are allowed to spend the money how they wish.

No. I just know these people unfortunately. They've directly told me this. They don't even walk to collect the takeaway, they get it delivered. Spending taxpayer money on this.

This.

It's called "masking", many people with ADHD do it because if they don't then they end up losing their job. And the energy it takes to mask can make someone exhausted the rest of the time. Much more common in women than in men by the way.

I can just see some of the ADHD "sceptics" sacking someone because their behaviours at work don't fit in with the "norm" - things like a lack of filter, not realising if they are talking too much, interrupting people, finding it hard to concentrate with their minds bouncing around all over the place, risk taking.

All these behaviours, which can be standard for people with ADHD, means they can't hold down a job, which makes them unemployable. Yes they may look fine for periods of time but the sheer effort to show that "normal" front is immense.

Well, only if it is in the form of a voucher. For B&Q perhaps.

I'm sure they'd be happy for just a little extra to be spent... on a bit of rope, so the people with no real lives, no autonomy under their proposed measures and no pleasure at all can effectively top themselves.

You have no idea how much energy a person has when all you see of them is a snippet of their life. Many can appear "normal" for a limited amount of time when it's realistically unavoidable and be totally wiped out and unable to function at a basic level the rest of the day. Meaning they can't put on "the normalcy act" every day, because their health, homes and lives would swiftly go downhill.

When it comes to people providing care for others, they'll often be doing it whilst utterly exhausted. Yet because they are doing it, to the likes of you they'll look "fine", when in reality they're just putting themselves last and someone else's needs first because they have to.

Yep, or it is not safe for them to be handling knives and having the hob on. So many reasons why someone might live off takeaways.

Someone commented on here that if you can afford a steak, then your benefits are too high (it led to one MNetter creating a new name as "GovermentFundedSteak", as the thread got really silly). I mean, they are less than £4 in Home Bargains (and they are pretty good too but my palate is not fussy). If someone on benefits is not allowed to "splash out" £3.something on food, then are they not allowed to spend more than that... on anything? 🤔
Some people have seriously suggested that there should be a way to return unspent benefits if you have any left after all the essentials are sorted.

With a disabled husband and 6 children with SN their on a LOT more then 30k… I had a family like this when I worked in SS disabilities children’s team ( the mum had a learning disability herself , ) they had so many services going in their were even a placement for student nurses) .. The councils use to take in in turns to take responsibility for them as it cost so much money.

Or you haven't got a kitchen because you've been living for years in temporary accommodation. Or you are ill long term and don't have the energy to cook. So prioritising takeaways over other things you could be spending the money on is making the best of a bad situation.

You're so very judgemental and lacking in understanding of how some people's lives can be so very different to yours.

Fully expecting some of this in September. There is no way I could work full time if I might be called to pick my child up.

I know a lady who has a little boy with SEN. She can only work a part time in her very flexible WFH job as she has to be available to pick him up from school at a moments notice. She is battling to get him an ECHP. In the meantime, he is struggling at school, having meltdowns, vomiting from anxiety.

I'm disabled by a dozen physical and neurological conditions. I do not suffer from "learned helplessness" and neither do any of my friends who have been disabled by strokes, cancer, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and half a dozen or so other co-occurring conditions that I know about (there are likely more that I don't). I am very glad that we are not currently denied autonomy over our own choices. The fact that you'd be happy to lumber tax payers with higher costs just to run a system that provided worse outcomes for disabled people in order to punish them for being disabled says a lot about you!

"If I get a job, my adult daughter who needs care at all times will need to go into care, costing thousands per week. Be careful what you wish for."

Yes it's not unusual for severely disabled adults to have care packages of several hundred thousand or more a year. And that is just the care and doesn't include things like housing benefit etc.

She would still be on PIP if she worked. It is not an out of work benefit.

You can't really derive anything useful about her capabilities from a few minutes of her being in a TV program.
The DWP will have far more information than you, and they have assessed her as eligible for PIP, and also not fit to work.

If I get a job, my adult daughter who needs care at all times will need to go into care, costing thousands per week. Be careful what you wish for.

She has far more energy than I have and I work full time. The level of entitlement is shocking. It’s going to end soon though because it’s totally unaffordable. If I was her I’d be dusting down my cv.