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All men should be aware of this

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mildlysweaty · 20/03/2026 21:08

I went for a walk in the sunshine around the back of my child’s school before pickup today. Usually the odd dog walker passes by but it’s pretty remote/foresty. I do this walk often but never go fully into the woods bit alone - because I’m female.

I was walking towards the woods and a person with long hair was walking my way - wrongly assumed it was a woman but when I passed them I realised it was a man in his 30s. I’ve passed plenty of men before walking their dogs, generally they give a nod and carry on. I started to feel a bit uneasy so rather than continue in that direction, I stopped a little further then turned around and started walking back (same way bloke was going).

I was a few feet behind him when he looked back over his shoulder back at me, then he stopped (with his back to me) and started opening his backpack. I felt bad vibes, there was no one else around. I managed to speed walk past him and pretended to phone my husband and had my car key ready to use if needed but all was okay in the end, I then passed some women walking.

In all honesty it could’ve been totally benign but any decent man should know that this sort of behaviour is intimidating for a woman, who’s alone, especially with nobody else around.

To get to my point: ALL men should understand how women need to be programmed to be wary of them, and how they can help is by ensuring they aren’t doing anything that could feel intimidating. They don’t know what it’s like to be a woman, but any decent man should be aware and conscious of how their behaviour may impact. I have reminded my husband of this today. It took a while to shake the feeling from this afternoon.

if voting I guess YABU = men don’t need to know this
YANBU = yes they do need to know this, it’s a way they can help

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Justbreathagain · 21/03/2026 07:31

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 06:46

It actually makes sense from prey brain - which was clearly engaged here. Better to see the predator than have them sneak up behind you.
she had an instinct. She honoured it. She is free to do that.

Yes I agree she is free to do this but the man is not obliged to then do anything but carry on as he was. He cannot be aware of how she is feeling or be expected to adapt his behaviour.

Marchitectmummy · 21/03/2026 07:29

OP this is unreasonable, I would have done the same as him - stop, check you aren't about to be in anyone's way while you get something out of your bag, if no one is around I then carry on if someone is I look for somewhere less in their way.

Unreasonable to expect men to adapt to every little worry you have. Don't walk where you are afraid.

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:29

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:28

I think it’s a shame you don’t want to live in a mindful cooperative society where we treat others how we would like to be treated but you do you and I’ll do me.

You absolutely do not know that , I do,however I can separate hysterical frothing with reality.

Owly11 · 21/03/2026 07:28

I agree - back in the day men were taught how to behave around lone women eg cross the road rather than follow or pass close but those days are long gone. People in public now are generally more focused on their own rights and entitlement to do as they please and would almost feel affronted at the thought of having to take anyone else into account.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:28

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:26

So you do that but the entire male population does not have to watch their every step everyone they go out for a walk and neither do women.

I think it’s a shame you don’t want to live in a mindful cooperative society where we treat others how we would like to be treated but you do you and I’ll do me.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:27

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:25

That book sounds racist.

It’s really not.
he talks about the difference between instincts and prejudice at length and how to check and rationalise it.

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:26

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:25

I don’t live in fear but if I have an instinct I honour that and I don’t rationalise it. There is a difference.

So you do that but the entire male population does not have to watch their every step everyone they go out for a walk and neither do women.

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:25

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:22

I love this book.
he also talks about the difference and if you’ve ever been in a life threatening situation you soon learn. The instinct is quiet and calm and you fucking listen.

That book sounds racist.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:25

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:24

By the law of averages most men will be working and not the slightest bit interested. You may want to live in fear watching your back every 5 minutes but I frankly don’t want me, my daughters, sons or husband to.

So crack on yourself but in answer to the thread the op is being ridiculous.

I don’t live in fear but if I have an instinct I honour that and I don’t rationalise it. There is a difference.

GarlicFound · 21/03/2026 07:25

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:19

I know!!!

And not only that only a tiny percentage of men are responsible for violent/ sexual crimes on women. 1% is supposed to commit 63% of them so contrary to what MN frothers want us to believe the likelihood of the man who was getting something out of his rucksack being the slightest bit interested in the op is very low.

That's 63% of convictions.

I'm sure I don't need to remind you how very few sexual assaults, rapes and street robberies are [a] reported; [b] investigated; [c] prosecuted; [d] convicted.

By the time you get to [d] it's a tiny percent of vanishingly few.

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:24

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:21

But how would she know without knowing him? What if you are that unlucky person and you ignore your instincts and you die?
you can be risky with your life and safety - doesn’t mean everyone else has to.

By the law of averages most men will be working and not the slightest bit interested. You may want to live in fear watching your back every 5 minutes but I frankly don’t want me, my daughters, sons or husband to.

So crack on yourself but in answer to the thread the op is being ridiculous.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:22

GarlicFound · 21/03/2026 07:20

I was going to say the same, as an excuse for giving Gavin de Becker's indispensable book another plug:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gift-Fear-Gavin-Becker-ebook/dp/B0036Z9U2A

His point is that we've spent two million years evolving shit-hot instincts for very good reasons. We should honour them, and we should 'train' them by using observation and learning. He uses an example of someone being nervous about getting in a lift with a black man.

The person should always act on their inner warnings, but would be wise to recognise that they're being influenced by social messaging in this case. A lift passenger of any colour who is somehow out of place and 'wrong' would be the one to avoid.

He's a really interesting person, not some lifestyle guru influencer. Video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ttyp9k/1800_gavin_de_becker_the_joe_rogan_experience/

I love this book.
he also talks about the difference and if you’ve ever been in a life threatening situation you soon learn. The instinct is quiet and calm and you fucking listen.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:21

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:19

I know!!!

And not only that only a tiny percentage of men are responsible for violent/ sexual crimes on women. 1% is supposed to commit 63% of them so contrary to what MN frothers want us to believe the likelihood of the man who was getting something out of his rucksack being the slightest bit interested in the op is very low.

But how would she know without knowing him? What if you are that unlucky person and you ignore your instincts and you die?
you can be risky with your life and safety - doesn’t mean everyone else has to.

GarlicFound · 21/03/2026 07:20

RhaenysRocks · 21/03/2026 06:52

Not all instincts are valid. Are people who instinctively assume a black person is dodgy to be honoured in that belief? In this particular encounter, her 'prey brain' was way off and making assumptions with literally nothing to support it other than she was 'fooled ' by his long hair. That's entirely her problem and does not put the onus on him to do anything at all.

I was going to say the same, as an excuse for giving Gavin de Becker's indispensable book another plug:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gift-Fear-Gavin-Becker-ebook/dp/B0036Z9U2A

His point is that we've spent two million years evolving shit-hot instincts for very good reasons. We should honour them, and we should 'train' them by using observation and learning. He uses an example of someone being nervous about getting in a lift with a black man.

The person should always act on their inner warnings, but would be wise to recognise that they're being influenced by social messaging in this case. A lift passenger of any colour who is somehow out of place and 'wrong' would be the one to avoid.

He's a really interesting person, not some lifestyle guru influencer. Video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ttyp9k/1800_gavin_de_becker_the_joe_rogan_experience/

Amazon

Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gift-Fear-Gavin-Becker-ebook/dp/B0036Z9U2A?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-5506317-all-men-should-be-aware-of-this

Justbreathagain · 21/03/2026 07:19

He really did not do anything OP. if I was the man I would say I went for a walk in the woods, I passed a women who then turned around and starting following me. I stopped to get something out of my bag and she went rushing past me it was very odd.

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:19

ThisLimeLeader · 21/03/2026 07:16

Honestly, I do not understand how women have managed to be so brainwashed by social media and each other that they're convinced they're in mortal danger of being abducted or worse every time they leave the house. Reality check: men are around 3x more likely to be murdered and 2x more likely to be attacked by a stranger as women. Only 0.0005% of women are murdered each year in the uk and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly their partners or someone they know with only 6% of the 0.0005% murdered by a stranger. While it does happen it's hard to overstate how rare it is and you are genuinely far more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a stranger. Add to this that you were in broad daylight on a road where other people were passing and you are being very unreasonable.

I know!!!

And not only that only a tiny percentage of men are responsible for violent/ sexual crimes on women. 1% is supposed to commit 63% of them so contrary to what MN frothers want us to believe the likelihood of the man who was getting something out of his rucksack being the slightest bit interested in the op is very low.

firstofallimadelight · 21/03/2026 07:18

Womaninhouse17 · 20/03/2026 23:09

Instead of raw statistics, it's better to look at probability. You'll soon realise that the chances of being attacked are miniscule. Those cases make the news because they are not the norm. Women do not have to be cautious of men.

Very few cases make the news because of the frequency. The ones that do are usually memorable in some way, victims of a serial killer, someone who is young/ pretty, someone who is initially missing.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:17

Underthinker · 21/03/2026 07:14

Did he act dodgy?
I'm a man and I might have done the same. Stopping to rummage in a bag allows her to walk past him to create some distance. If he ignored and kept walking they would have been close for longer.

Or maybe he was just rummaging for his bear suit?

And this is why Im not labelling this man anything. I even said in a pp the same as you - he might have even have done this on purpose to make her feel more comfortable, but the reality is it made her feel more vulnerable as she had to pass him and lose sight of him again.
shes not unreasonable and neither was he. We have conflicting feelings and its kindest to just treat each other how we would want to be treated. I don’t think it’s a big ask that men are concious that women might be frightened of them and to be kind about it

ThisLimeLeader · 21/03/2026 07:16

Honestly, I do not understand how women have managed to be so brainwashed by social media and each other that they're convinced they're in mortal danger of being abducted or worse every time they leave the house. Reality check: men are around 3x more likely to be murdered and 2x more likely to be attacked by a stranger as women. Only 0.0005% of women are murdered each year in the uk and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly their partners or someone they know with only 6% of the 0.0005% murdered by a stranger. While it does happen it's hard to overstate how rare it is and you are genuinely far more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a stranger. Add to this that you were in broad daylight on a road where other people were passing and you are being very unreasonable.

Underthinker · 21/03/2026 07:14

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 06:55

They’re not but this is one I would take seriously. Men do rape women. He did act dodgy after.

its not the same as avoiding someone consciously because of their skin colour. Her reptile brain engaged. She didn’t approach or insult him. She just got to safety.

he can be kind too, it’s not all on her

Did he act dodgy?
I'm a man and I might have done the same. Stopping to rummage in a bag allows her to walk past him to create some distance. If he ignored and kept walking they would have been close for longer.

Or maybe he was just rummaging for his bear suit?

Th30G · 21/03/2026 07:12

What a ridiculous thread

RhaenysRocks · 21/03/2026 07:11

Jaggy1 · 21/03/2026 07:04

Also, the OP never stated she was scared of him because he had long hair. She initially wasn’t feeling uneasy because she thought it was a woman so didn’t do anything until he passed & realised it was a man.

Ted Bundy attacked women in broad daylight & was by all accounts a lovely, charming man to talk to. The suggestion that we can’t assume the worst of everyone is so silly, if something was to happen in this instance it would probably be the exact same people who say ‘well what was she doing out by herself in the woods in the first place’.

She said she was taken aback because she'd assumed it was a woman..perhaps if they'd had short hair she'd have turned back before he passed her.

I absolutely wouldn't think someone was partially to blame if they were attacked anywhere at any time. Logic would suggest its those posters who think there is inherent danger in every contact with a man who would think women should change their behaviour to minimise it... those who agree the woman was right trust her instincts.

GreyfriarsJobbies · 21/03/2026 07:11

This is going too far. Yes men should be aware that following close behind women when there's nobody else about at night is a really stupid thing to do. In fact the same is true no matter the sex of either party. But you're pretty much berating this chap for just existing and doing the same thing as you - being out for a stroll. Just because it 'felt dodgy' to you doesn't mean there's anything in it; it does sound like the problem is with you here.

confusedbydating · 21/03/2026 07:10

CommentHere · 21/03/2026 07:09

I was walking my dog today in a fairly isolated spot. I saw a woman coming towards me and she looked at me oddly when she passed. Maybe she was surprised at my long hair as it's unusual for a man to have long hair, but I get that a lot, no big deal.

I continued on anyway, after a few minutes I heard a dog or footsteps, I casually turned around and it was the same lady behind me. She must have been doing an out-and-back walk rather than a circular route. At the same time I reached into my backpack for some chewing gum. She walked past fairly quickly, I'm not sure if I startled her by looking back or by rummaging in my backpack. Surely that's a normal thing to do?

Aibu to be a bit insulted that she has now posted on a public forum saying my behaviour could have frightened her?

You’re a bit unable to see past your own viewpoint and male centred, yes

Sirzy · 21/03/2026 07:09

RhaenysRocks · 21/03/2026 06:54

I honestly don't know what he should have done here that would be a) reasonable and b) reassure her...sprint away up the path?

I don’t think the OP would have been happy unless he had made himself disappear!

saying a man can’t stop and get something out of his bag is just taking the hatred of men to extremes.