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The three boys accused of taking it in turns to rape a girl have been found not guilty

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Lougle · 19/03/2026 08:04

The three boys accused of taking it in turns to rape a girl have been found not guilty on all counts despite some of the incident being filmed. How could that be? That poor girl. I believe in justice, I wasn't in court. I just can't understand it though.

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Carla786 · 19/03/2026 13:18

I wonder if there IS a small chance that the victim did agree to sex with one of the boys. What I strongly doubt is that agreed to have sex with all of them. It could potentially have started consensually and then became sexual assault.

Badbadbunny · 19/03/2026 13:16

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 12:41

Her pal was with her on the bus. And as far as I can figure out stayed with her.

That fact may well have swung the jury into thinking it was consentual, i.e. the friend didn't try to intervene to stop, so that kind of implies she thought it was consentual which may have given a completely different "picture" of the whole thing.

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 13:11

This defence lawyer sounds like a scumbag too : Peter Gilmour, representing the now 15-year-old said: "These are children. We must not judge children by the standards of adults.

"If there was a point she had second thoughts, she didn't give any indication. And she immediately regretted that and says to her friend she had been raped. She went into the bushes, she went willingly. Her answer was 'I never said yeah'. How was he supposed to know?"

Itsmetheflamingo · 19/03/2026 13:06

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 13:03

3 boys and the 2 girls got on the tram they all got off at the same stop.
When the incident happened.
The video is 10 secs.

I'm not convinced there was any sort of resistance. Why didn't the pal phone the police?

Very unusual for a gang rape to have a friend witness and not also be a victim.

I’m not sure of the point of the post. Are you saying this behaviour suggests it’s consensual?

because all it suggest to me is it took them
some time to realise she was raped

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 13:04

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 13:03

3 boys and the 2 girls got on the tram they all got off at the same stop.
When the incident happened.
The video is 10 secs.

I'm not convinced there was any sort of resistance. Why didn't the pal phone the police?

Very unusual for a gang rape to have a friend witness and not also be a victim.

Well, there's the freeze response...fighting the 3 boys could also have been more dangerous and likely to cause injury.

Brownbananaspot · 19/03/2026 13:03

If I was that girl's mother those three boys would never see another dawn, court or no court. This is a horrific story, that poor girl.

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 13:03

Naunet · 19/03/2026 12:53

As virgins? Really? How many young virgin girls do you know of that agree to sex with 3 boys in a bush whilst being filmed? Please do enlighten us. Is it a more common occurrence than rape?

3 boys and the 2 girls got on the tram they all got off at the same stop.
When the incident happened.
The video is 10 secs.

I'm not convinced there was any sort of resistance. Why didn't the pal phone the police?

Very unusual for a gang rape to have a friend witness and not also be a victim.

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 13:01

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 12:41

Her pal was with her on the bus. And as far as I can figure out stayed with her.

A 12yo could hardly fight the boys off. The friend could have called the police though, but she was probably frozen in fear.

Whatafustercluck · 19/03/2026 12:59

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 12:14

If only someone had come by and intervened...

Apparently they did. Two strangers called her a slag.

Lilimoon · 19/03/2026 12:54

I believe her.

Naunet · 19/03/2026 12:53

Imdunfer · 19/03/2026 08:46

The average girl doesn't. Some girls do.

As virgins? Really? How many young virgin girls do you know of that agree to sex with 3 boys in a bush whilst being filmed? Please do enlighten us. Is it a more common occurrence than rape?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 19/03/2026 12:53

Sadly yes I can believe it. If it was daughter there would be street justice and likewise if my son was involved I’d do prison time for cutting off his dick.

A tiny percentage of victims get justice through the courts in a disturbing manner that the victims are on trial. Not sure if it is worth the process.

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 12:52

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 19/03/2026 12:36

@likelysuspect maybe it's different in Scotland. I don't know anyone who has successfully managed to opt out. I know many who have tried due to work, but it's always been no.

Me I was working away from home at the time, theyve never asked me back.

DrBlackbird · 19/03/2026 12:49

likelysuspect · 19/03/2026 09:32

But we dont know the reasons why jurors come to their conclusion, its not published.

And judges dont pronounce 'not guilty' with a reasoning do they? Unless Im confused.

A custodial sentence means they've been found guilty so that undermines what you alleged about not wanting to ruin someones life with a guilty verdict.

IANAL, but yes juries don’t provide their reasons but judges do provide a summary of the legal arguments and can and do direct juries.

And I said either not guilty or non custodial sentence. The point being that the potential negative impact on the accused has been taken into consideration in determining both.

Needspaceforlego · 19/03/2026 12:41

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 12:14

If only someone had come by and intervened...

Her pal was with her on the bus. And as far as I can figure out stayed with her.

CherryBlossom321 · 19/03/2026 12:38

I googled Rachel Shenton. Seems she’s made a successful career and probably a lot of money from defending monsters. Unconscionable.

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 19/03/2026 12:36

@likelysuspect maybe it's different in Scotland. I don't know anyone who has successfully managed to opt out. I know many who have tried due to work, but it's always been no.

TheKittenswithMittens · 19/03/2026 12:30

Charge the older 2 boys with engaging in a sexual act with a 12-year-old (the youngest boy. They have admitted engaging in a sexual act, and they must have known their mate's age.

JuliettaCaeser · 19/03/2026 12:26

I agree with that attitude but there’s also the seemingly inbuilt instinct to protect young men and not to want to affect their futures in any way. Sadly I see it some friends who are mums of boys. On high alert to protect their sons - denigrating girls. These are intelligent women I’m generally like minded with too.

The ongoing behaviour of the small group of boys at dds school was evidenced by numerous others statements (from boys too hearteningly). The schools were horrified lots of assemblies etc. But no actual consequences for the boys. They are top sports players funded by a high profile team who go to the school.

The girls they targeted were the ones they deemed less attractive. So girls just going about their business at school. They were too ashamed / scared to report it. Dd did report it. The boys scoffed “what’s your problem you’re top rated”. Dd was in tears relating how they treated her friends. Absolutely obscene.

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 12:14

HobnobsChoice · 19/03/2026 12:13

It's also not really a wood. It's a few trees next to a supermarket car park and right near a tram stop. Kids go in there to vape/do balloons and snog etc. It's a few metres from the tram stop

If only someone had come by and intervened...

HobnobsChoice · 19/03/2026 12:13

Whatafustercluck · 19/03/2026 10:44

It's entirely possible she thought it would be a consensual snog and a secretive fumble, not to be gang raped.

It's also not really a wood. It's a few trees next to a supermarket car park and right near a tram stop. Kids go in there to vape/do balloons and snog etc. It's a few metres from the tram stop

Carla786 · 19/03/2026 12:03

Badbadbunny · 19/03/2026 11:56

@LegallyBlondish

We are also at a stage where women’s rights are under attack - and if you don’t believe this, you are not paying sufficient attention. I am no longer satisfied that victims of rape have a realistic chance of obtaining justice in our courts.

I agree. I don't necessarily think it's just political persuasions either, nor racial opinions. I think another potential issue is age, and there seems to be a growing number of "older" people who seem to hate today's youngsters and have a kind of irrational attitude that whatever a younger person suffers, they've somehow "deserved" it, even though they know nothing about the young person in question. It's the "we had it worse in my day" attitude that we see a hell of a lot of here on MN and I'm starting to wonder if that attitude is also prevalent in other arenas too, such as a jury. I'd love to see the breakdown of the jury in this case, i.e. male to female ratio, and ages etc. It wouldn't surprise me if such "attitude" contributed towards the awful Rotherham (and other) rape/abuse cases where it seems that police, social services, etc., all seemed to think those poor young girls somehow "deserved" to be raped/gang raped so took no action to stop it nor prosecute the known perpetrators.

I suspect class prejudice was a big factor. The girls in Rotherham were seen as immoral 'chavs'.

Badbadbunny · 19/03/2026 11:56

@LegallyBlondish

We are also at a stage where women’s rights are under attack - and if you don’t believe this, you are not paying sufficient attention. I am no longer satisfied that victims of rape have a realistic chance of obtaining justice in our courts.

I agree. I don't necessarily think it's just political persuasions either, nor racial opinions. I think another potential issue is age, and there seems to be a growing number of "older" people who seem to hate today's youngsters and have a kind of irrational attitude that whatever a younger person suffers, they've somehow "deserved" it, even though they know nothing about the young person in question. It's the "we had it worse in my day" attitude that we see a hell of a lot of here on MN and I'm starting to wonder if that attitude is also prevalent in other arenas too, such as a jury. I'd love to see the breakdown of the jury in this case, i.e. male to female ratio, and ages etc. It wouldn't surprise me if such "attitude" contributed towards the awful Rotherham (and other) rape/abuse cases where it seems that police, social services, etc., all seemed to think those poor young girls somehow "deserved" to be raped/gang raped so took no action to stop it nor prosecute the known perpetrators.

EasternStandard · 19/03/2026 11:55

LegallyBlondish · 19/03/2026 11:44

I am a lawyer (an old one & not a criminal lawyer) and I have always believed in jury trials. However, the on-line reactions to the recent killings of two civilians by ICE officers in the USA have given me cause to reflect on this.

I don’t know how many of you are aware of these killings, but the two victims were a woman in a car and, in a separate incident, a young man. Both were shot by ICE officers at fairly close range.

I watched the reactions to both incidents play out on Twitter. There were numerous videos of both incidents from various angles and these videos covered the period from the initial interactions until after the shootings. There may have been altered images shown but I believe the videos I saw were legitimate.

In any event, what I found deeply shocking was how posters viewed what they could see with their own two eyes through their political leanings. So, the Trump supporters “saw” the woman in the car use that car as a weapon and were certain that she drove it at the ICE officers, thus justifying being shot several times at close range. She most definitely did not, and I am sure that any independent witness seeing those videos would agree with me.

When a similar thing happened with the second victim, it dawned on me that we have entered a new period in our history, or perhaps we have regressed into what happened in the distant past. A significant proportion of our populations are either “for” a certain stance or “against” it, and that is affecting their sense of right and wrong and their understanding of who is guilty and who is not guilty. If the ICE officers involved are tried in relation to these incidents, doubtless the results will depend upon the political leanings of the jury members.

We are also at a stage where women’s rights are under attack - and if you don’t believe this, you are not paying sufficient attention. I am no longer satisfied that victims of rape have a realistic chance of obtaining justice in our courts.

I had an early view on that which was similar. The level of interrogation on SM according to political allegiance would make a fair trial difficult. People felt they knew the answer already, and you’d be hard pressed to find jurors ready to assess the evidence in court without political loyalty.

Maybe, it’s hard to know as court may be a bit different.

Although I generally think jury trials are a good idea, most crimes do not have that exposure online.