Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

This. It shows how ignorantand stupid people really are

We have been lulled into complacency by the rarity of these diseases because of mass vaccinations. Those old enough to remember children being serously harmed and dieing due to measles, whooping cough and polio are generally very supportive of vaccines

Unfortunately, nowadays so many people distrust public health campaigns and anything to do with science. Look at the scepticism about climate science from people who claim to have "done their own research". I blame a lot of this on the absolute shit show the Tories managed during Covid. There are those who believe everything, but there are loads who don't believe anything they're told out of principle. The "chem trails wake up sheeple" types.

It’s a good point though, there cant be a choice if you can then be prosecuted for taking one of the available choices.

what you’re suggesting is legally mandating vaccination, but the problem with that is enforcement would ultimately lead to detaining and physically restraining children to inject them, and neither our medical or legal system (or society) supports this kind of action.

Children who arent vaccinated unless it is for very clear medical reasons, not batshit internet dr google, should not be allowed in places where they can mix with other children. and I say this as someone who did have an adverse reaction to the first covid vaccine and am still suffering from that but recognise in being vaccinated I did not spread the virus and kill someone.

I'm not entirely sure contracting and entirely preventable disease is as act of God though is it. That's like saying folk that died of cholera or bubonic plague died due to an act of God, they didn't they died because of poor hygiene and a lack of understanding.

At the very least, it has to be child abuse. Imagine your child contracting something you could have prevented and passing away because of it? I mean Christ, you take your child out of school for five days and your getting a fine. Yet there's no punishment for doing something that could legitimately lead to their death?

Barring a health condition or a legitimate reason not to vaccinated there's absolutely no reason at all children shouldn't be protected. "Mummy thinks you might get Autism, or get a little poorly" or any other crap is not an excuse or a reason not to vaccinate.

I don't trust the COVID vaccine but do all the childhood ones

The poster is lying though. They have no experience of death from vaccine.

don't let a liar dictate your views or make you feel warm and cozy for accommodating them

This would be a ridiculous way to go about things because you would still be offering guardians the option to decline, then later prosecuting them due to an "act of god" when all they did was take an option that was available and perfectly legal at the time.

If you are going to take a draconian approach to vaccination, then it would be an order of magnitude more reasonable, and pragmatic, to just make it a legal obligation, and immediately prosecute any parent who refuses. But that's not going to happen either because it tramples all over concepts of body-autonomy and the right to choose your own treatment.

There would have to be some new law whereby for the purpose of vaccination and that alone, children would be considered wards of the State, but I can't see that flying either.

This measles outbreak is related to the MenB vaccine which has only been given for the last 11 years. All the victims so far wouldn’t have been routinely vaccinated and I think it’s beyond many to pay £200 privately. I don’t disagree with you but this outbreak isn’t relevant to antivaxxers.

the anti vaxxers I know are also vegan and homeschool their kids. They get information from unreliable sources and use alternative treatments like homeopathy and crystals. Batshit.

Exactly this. Language towards and about those who don’t vaccinate is disgusting.

Maybe think for a second perhaps there are issues that need understanding or even just some education delivered or basic kind reassurance?

Acknowledgement of the potential for side effects rather than a lot of the medical profession being dismissive or defensive when parents raise a concern ?

I fully vaccinate my dc but I’m not unkind or shouting down those who feel they have a genuine reason not to. As a society we can deal with this better than jumping on ‘anti vaxxers’ and being so angry.

But not as repulsive and ignorant as yours. There have been no deaths confirmed to be causally associated with routine childhood vaccinations in the UK.

I think the problem is "research" has 2 meanings and people conflate the two

Google is fine to research the best prices for your next holiday, or where to get a decent take away. A lot of people don't seem to realise that actual scientific research is a very different thing!

The same with "theory" people will say "I've got a theory" meaning "I’ve had a thought about something" and then think a scientific theory is the same thing - just something someone has come up with off the top of their heads!

Why would they be immune to side effects of disease? Sorry I just don't get your point.

I know it's probably an unpopular opinion but I honestly think if your child contracts something like measles, then dies from it after you've turned the vaccine down (on the basis of being an anti vaxxer) then you should be tried for gross negligence manslaughter 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Covid itself caused far more deaths than the vaccines. And Covid has left many with life changing medical conditions.

Which vaccine did they die from? In 18 years of organising the vaccination programmes at a large comprehensive, the only side effects we have had from any vaccines are slight temperature, feeling achy and having a sore arm. After 24 hours they are fine again. We have only had a couple of fainters in all that time, but that’s because of the needles. Are you saying it’s safer to not get vaccinated?

Each vaccination is different. There is no way you would have problems with every vaccination. So are the same children immune to the side effects of meningitis, HPV, Polio, Tetanus etc. Don’t be so ridiculous.

As soon as anyone uses the term "main stream media" my eyes start rolling.

have you looked into the research and evidence of the thousands of people affected by the covid vaccine, main stream media won’t report on this

I can't stand hearing 'I've done my research' and it turns out to be someone ranting on tiktok or something. Have you read numerous peer reviewed articles and critically appraised the evidence using a good database? No? Then you really haven't done your research.

@Ladamesansmerci Ten times agree. My friend engages in a whole load of freaky "health" fads and very defensively announces "I've done the research!"

I want to see a fucking lab coat and goggles.

she's totally immersed in the echo chambers.

Three mugs of butter, beef dripping and egg yolks a day anyone? For weight loss?

actually im not sure

I think we need to stop the name-calling when it comes to people who are worried about vaccines. Labelling them as “dumb” or “stupid” just pushes them further away. Alienating people like that rarely ends well. However misguided we might think they are, most aren’t acting out of malice, they’re frightened for their children. If we actually listen and engage properly, we’ve got a much better chance of creating the kind of environment where people feel able to learn and reconsider.

My god. Half of Mumsnet would need it.