Racism in uk

No, I think immigration is an excuse. How many illegal immigrants are actually young men on benefits who sell drugs and assault young women? And even if it was the reality, how does that explain the anti Muslim sentiment we are seeing directed at Muslims in general?
On this thread alone we've had people moaning about Muslim children having a day less education because they celebrate Eid. Tall stories objecting to women swimming in burkas and toddlers in hijab, which funnily enough only anti Muslims ever seem to see. We've had calls to ban Muslim women from covering their hair, to prevent Muslims congregating peacefully in public. Communities call 'ghettos'. People falsely accused of not speaking English and stats disproving that ignored. Positive accounts of Muslim communities ignored. People claiming that there's a conspiracy with the government to ban people from religious freedom and force convert us all to Islam.
None of this is due to a genuine concern about immigration. Its Islamophobia that these individuals have kept under wraps until the immigration issue emboldened them to reveal themselves.

I don't support the Greens. They have some policies I agree with but others I find very problematic. They would get my vote only with great reluctance if it was the only way to keep what I see as the greater overall threat of Reform at bay.
I think I struggle with 'far left' being used as an umbrella term for any flotsam and jetsam niche activism, some of which I agree is dangerous, even where the ideology in question is chasms apart from left wing values.
It discredits left wing politics, sometimes inadvertently due lack of understanding of what left really means, sometimes deliberately to garner support for the right.
And no, I really haven't noticed a massive shift to the left. What does that look like to you?

I do understand stats. The starting point is that there are double the attacks on Muslims. If you want to present further data on a population level, then do that.

The second point is that Muslims don’t have a body such as the CST to help them report crime. Most Muslims don’t report hate crimes because they know very little will be done.

You’ve just demonstrated how little you understand stats- there are far more Muslims than Jews in the uk - the table shows how LIKELY people are to be attacked based on their religion.

You have played footloose and fancy free with the statistics there. That table shows double the amount of attacks against Muslims.

Even that reported number is low, research shows Muslims tend to be very unlikely to report racism and Islamophobic whereas the CST actively encourages Jewish people to report every incident.

Come spend a week in Scotland and see what happens when a few greens get power and then come and talk to me about what the greens are and are capable of doing after you've read polanskies green manifesto.
As for the other groups I mentioned they are no better than any of the far right groups.
What you call trad left are generally far left now its just that you haven't noticed the massive shift to the left in the Overton window

Come spend a week in Scotland and see what happens when a few greens get power and then come and talk to me about what the greens are and are capable of doing after you've read polanskies green manifesto.
As for the other groups I mentioned they are no better than any of the far right groups.
What you call trad left are generally far left now its just that you haven't noticed the massive shift to the left in the Overton window

The Greens are not 'far left'. They are an uneasy mix of trad left and liberalism. And have only 5 MPs. The other groups are activists mobilising around specific issues that do not necessarily align with left wing ideology, and regardless have no legislative power, and are not taken seriously by the mainstream electorate.
So in what way do you believe the 'far left' are a huge problem? What does the problem look like in practice?

Well we have the greens, atifa, just stop oil, Palestinian action to name but a few we have a huge problem with the far left in this country and the more people deny it the worse it gets and the more it drives people to the far right.
Both extremes are equally bad and both need to be called out and tackled

Well we have the greens, atifa, just stop oil, Palestinian action to name but a few we have a huge problem with the far left in this country and the more people deny it the worse it gets and the more it drives people to the far right.
Both extremes are equally bad and both need to be called out and tackled

The racists I'm referring to (as per my previous post) are the ones who tried to burn down a hotel of asylum seekers.

Are you saying those people weren't racist?

What 'far left' are you referring to that 'should be listening'? There is no far left in the UK with any sort of political power. We have a moderate left leaning government who have recently introduced some policies to curb immigration. Who is it that you believe has the influence and authority to be turning decent people racist?

Shabana mahmood has been called allsorts for her immigration stance mostly by the far left (i wont repeat them here as I don't want banned but they're pretty racist).
The greens are currently campaigning for an open border policy.
Your comment about racists attacking immigrants proves my point, im talking about reasonable discussions and coming to a fair consensus and you jump to racists attacking immigrants

Oh, you're too funny! So now you're equating British, self supporting ex pats living in spain with asylum seekers in Britain?! Thanks for the chuckle.

Shabana Mahmood seems to manage fine without being called a racist.

No one wants uncontrolled immigration.

But also people aren't going to allow racists to attack immigrants with impunity.

Which Spaniards? I thought you were keen on supporting evidence?

Because Spaniards were probably watching the videos of English men trying to burn down a hotel of asylum seekers and thinking WTF.

Which Spaniards? I thought you were keen on supporting evidence?

Because Spaniards were probably watching the videos of English men trying to burn down a hotel of asylum seekers and thinking WTF.

So not being tired of hypocrisy then but having genuine concerns. Why didn't you say so rather than saying they were tired of hypocrisy?

So you can understand how Spaniards may get tired of the influx of other nationalities who do not learn the language or integrate yet refuse to see how anyone in this country can feel the same way? Isn't that hypocrisy?

At least in Spain migrants are legal and have documents stating who they are.

Their concern about the effects British and German tourism and second homes are having on their housing supply and costs? No, I'm not dismissing it at all.

Their concern about the effects British and German tourism and second homes are having on their housing supply and costs? No, I'm not dismissing it at all.