To think all these mothers bragging about working full time are just using their own mothers as unpaid childcare?

The context of your post was that OP is closer to her kids than other Mums who work are. I apologise if I took it out of context but thats how I read it.

Nah, my reading comprehension is fine, you are just being nasty because I called you out on your sexism.
Your thread is deliberately goady. I actually doubt the people you are complaining about exist.

Yep me too.

1, In my experience it's far more often sahp being critical of working mothers.

2, Most of us pay for childcare

I'm amazed that so many of the grandparents aren't at work.

You can work but also be close to your children ? I was talking about people who don't spend any time with their children.

No, knackered grandparent in sight when I was working with young children.
I had an empty bank account though because nurseries and childminders cost a bloody fortune.

People have called me a lazy piece of shit
Seriously? Which people?
I know a few SAHM and in all honesty I dont have an opinion because its nothing to do with me.

No, I just use paid childcare.

Around where I live it's very common for people to rely heavily on grandparents for childcare. Think grandpa doing all school pickups, grandma having the children every day instead of after school club, being on call if school call because child is ill and needs collecting, grandparents babysitting for nights out or weekend getaways. Yep, in my area grandparents providing regular childcare is definitely the norm.

Personally our nearest family is 4 hours away so it was always DH and me and friends and neighbours. Not bitter, just an observation. People have been getting very snappy and defensive about the OP.

What a gross comment. Closeness isnt based on whether you work or not. Non working parents can easily shove a child in front of a TV all day and make up threads on mumsnet about stuff that never happened.

what a goady post. And irrelevent to what PP said

No, Im telling you your logic is sexist, as well as your language. Im not looking for reason to be offended, you made a ridiculous, sexist comment, and I rightly called you out.

I never mentioned anything about your child so dont put words in my mouth.

I lied. I remembered last night that my DPILs had come to stay twice to mind DC while DH and I had clashing overseas work trips. He was generally gone 2-4 days while mine were usually one overnight (but 2 very long days). Otherwise we managed ourselves (there was a handful of times when DC woke up to find the parent who had not been there to put them to bed being the only one there now…we came close to disaster once when my plane back home went “tech” halfway and we returned to the start but there were spare planes and crew had enough hours (just) to get us to destination…so my 10pm expected arrival was 02:30am and DH had been contemplating having to cancel his 03:45am departure…but at least we shared breakfast 😂).

DPILs and DPs live about 20 mins apart…but a few hours away from us.

You are funny OP 😂. Most people pay for their childcare.

I don’t know how old you are but if your children are at school look at doing a college course and better yourself, only you can change things

And their support is none of your business. Stop obsessing about other people and concentrate on yourself. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.

In 25 years of having young children I have never had any member of my family or my husbands look after
my children. We either paid a childminder or juggled our hours to make it work.

It was your choice to have a child at 16, you can’t blame other people for your choices.

Is your 55 hour week as a childminder, so you don't commute and can home school as you work? Having a baby at 20 is a lot different to 16, especially if the father also isn't a teenager. Two full adults as parents, as opposed to two teens, gives a much easier start. People's circumstances are different and so are their home lives. Are you so judgemental about anyone who uses your services, but who doesn't work excessive hours?

People have different circumstances, that's just life. I had no family help as my MIL had cancer and was poorly (she died when DS was 2) and my mum had a stroke so I was her carer. She had mobilty and balance issues. We had no babysitters for nights out either.

I worked part time, juggling childcare with my husband and sending my son to nursery some days (not always full days) which incidentally was open from 7.30am - 6.30pm. I went full time when DS was 9, and after that my husband (who was self employed) was able to pick him up from school and carry on working after I got home.

I don't think anything like 9/10 full time working parents get a huge amount of family support, although I accept that some full time working parents get some support. I was more envious of those who could drop their kids off with their grandparents for an occasional night out or overnight stay (but never that bothered that I would leave them with a stranger). Friends would very occasionally offer and we were grateful.

What you need is less judgy people in your life. My friends and acquantances circumstances vary, from full time working parents whose children attend full time nursery to SAHMs or Ds. Most people I know who work full time only have a couple of days help from grandparents at best. I don't know anyone whose parent's picked up regularly from school though some did occasionally. Most used child minders if they needed help with school pick ups/after school care. None of us cared what others arrangements were. We are all just doing our best with the resources available to us, not making snippy comments either to or about the others.

I worked full time and used nursery and child minders, cost me a fortune