Just get mounjaro!

The poster I replied to is talking about relapse, the length of the usage isn’t specified. (Or at least not in that quote).

Regarding portion size - I guess it depends on approach to food, how long they’ve been on the jabs, whether they’re taking maintenance dose keeping their appetite reduced etc

Exericise is a significant factor in maintaining a healthy weight. The NHS lists lack of physical activity as “important factor related to obesity.” It also recommends a minimum 150 mins of moderate-intensity aerobic exercise weekly, and states that for people living with obesity or trying to lose weight they may need more.

I've no personal problem with people worrying about misuse of the jabs impacting on their kids. It's just the other part of that picture is that pre WLIs, the overweight and obese numbers were only going up. Just short of two thirds in 2024.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/update-to-the-obesity-profile-on-fingertips/obesity-profile-short-statistical-commentary-may-2024

So the health impacts of being overweight and obese are very much something the median person's children will be affected by when they grow up. There are things we can do as we're bringing our kids up, of course, but not when they're middle aged, the weight's crept on and the risk factors are climbing. But now, if they get to that stage, we have WLIs!

I’m talking about the collective faux concern people have over strangers. You’re a parent, it’s your job to be concerned about many things. People (mainly women) have always felt pressure to be slim, and some people will always abuse drugs.

Thinking about the current state of the world, as a parent, WLI wouldn’t be at the top of my concern list.

Just to clarify, when you say jabs alone, are you talking about shorter term or long term usage? Because for people who want to stop taking them that makes sense, but the poster you're replying to is talking about long term usage.

And it's not immediately obvious why, say, education about portion size is required to prevent weight regain for someone who simply eats as much as they need to feel satiated, has found that this is much less when on WLIs and will continue on a maintenance dose. Same with lack of exercise. Obviously we do all need to exercise, and having a healthy BMI but sitting on your arse all the time isn't great. But exercise isn't usually much of a factor in obesity.

I agree the rise of skinny culture is worrying, but that isn't a reason to deny people a medication that works and makes them healthier.

You really have no idea.

I did need the medication to have a consistent and continued weight loss. Where I didn't feel constantly hungry and miserable. A weight loss that allowed me to exercise again. I felt normal again, like I had throughout my 20s and early 30s, before I started gaining weight. It was clear to me from the moment I took it that the weight gain and failure to lose weight was not a lack of will power or moral failing, there was actually something wrong with me that this medication fixed. It was like a cloud had lifted. I've never been one for dessert, sweet stuff or processed foods but I had developed an insatiable appetite that I couldn't fix and no amount of food satisfied it. On the medication, and now off them, I can eat my meal and be done. I just don't think constantly about my next meal.

You've literally no idea how much effort it takes when using WLI to lose weight!

Ah ok I stand corrected..

Now the OP claims it’s just over 25… 🤔

So it was just a goady post?

That’s not entirely accurate. You can get it legitimately with a BMI of 27 if you have a weight related health condition. There are a few legitimate pharmacies and clinics that will prescribe off licence to people with a BMI between 25 and 27.

I'm concerned, I have a daughter. I don't want her growing up in a society where she feels pressured to be stick thin because all her friends/celebrities/neighbours etc are on the jabs. It's not healthy for people who are clearly not obese. There are lots of stick thin celebrities at the moment who obviously didn't need to go on them but have and have taken it too far. Some are painfully thin and look unwell. I think we should all be concerned about the rise in skinny culture and people lying to access drugs that they have no medical need for.

But why? Why does it piss them off?

Why is there posters like @Hereforthecommentz calling obese user “lazy” because her DH didn’t use them?

Honestly, the hate for users is ridiculous!

I don’t hate alcoholics or prescription drug abusers.

I was referring to the pp being quoted as “fact” saying obesity was the no 1 cause of cancer.

It’s not - it’s the 2nd preventable cause of cancer after smoking.

The posts of yours that I’ve seen I agree with.

You can’t get Mounjaro if you are not obese unless you lie or get it on the black market. I think that’s what’s pissing people off. Why would anyone suggest it as an option for someone who’s not overweight but wants to lose 10lbs?

What’s not a fact ? I was talking about weight loss in the context of the thread - people lying about their BMI to lose a few pounds. WLI’s are not without risk, so the benefit has to outweigh the risk - hence the use of BMl to determine eligibility. If you’re a healthy BMI your risk to benefit ratio is higher.

I think that @Reliablesource was quite clearly responding to the OPs second post where she stated that "they’ve been used for a long time for diabetes but this a new use so I can understand people saying the long term effects are not known when used for weight loss instead of diabetes."

The comment wasn't about long term effects for those who are using WLI at a healthy weight to lose weight, rather it was about the long term effects for those using WLI for weight loss in general. As in, those who are being legitimately prescribed them and are not at a healthy weight to begin with.

That’s not even a fact.

And you appear to be incapable of reading as l clarified what l meant fairly quickly.

So some pharmacies are starting an in person clinic. Online there's a lot of support from doctors and pharmacists alongside different programmes that people can opt in and out of etc...

For example a 10 week diet plan alongside the jabs.

Nope. I clarified what l meant. Not blind to the facts and not ill informed.

The NHS doesn’t have the funds to set up the number of weight loss clinics required to address the sheer scale of the obesity problem. But essentially what you outline is I think that’s roughly what would be required to optimise weight loss outcomes long term.

For people with drug or alcohol problems AA and NA is a standard accessible (non-medical) treatment. Yet Overeaters Anonymous seems to have less visibility and a lower uptake comparative to the volume of candidates.

This.

I’m not ill informed, don’t be so bloody rude. I’m not suggesting for one moment that these meds shouldn’t be used for weight loss where obesity is putting people at risk. I’m simply passing on information given to my DH when he was prescribed Mounjaro for diabetes. He asked about the risks and was told that the risks of long term use weren’t known, but that the health risks for diabetes far outweigh the risks of taking WLI. Undoubtedly exactly the same can be said for those severely at risk from obesity, but what we’re talking about here is people who use it to lose a few pounds and actively mislead prescribers to get it. Not the same thing.

To make money. That's why.