In saying 30 years is not enough?

This is what I don't understand. Surely anyone in their right mind would see a man with holes in his crotch being overly affectionate with small children and think he must be a danger. I mean FFS. Also, did you see him talking when he was being interviewed?! Totally giving wacko jacko vibes!!

I think it's a bit harsh to put that on the parents though, sometimes you don't always meet all the staff at a nursery and it sounded like he was a bit of a free roamer, helping out. Really, it's the management who employed him and continued to ignore major red flags who are responsible for allowing it to continue.

I agree 30 years is not long enough. He should never be released. As others have pointed out, you can't change these kind of people, so he should be locked up for life. I feel so sorry for those poor children and their families, and also imagine how awful it must feel to know he worked at a setting your child attended - you might always wonder whether he abused your baby or not.

All I can say is that I hope he gets murdered in prison. If not, I hope he is regularly subjected to sexual abuse whilst he serves his time.

Edited for typos

More about the above case:

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEVER+LET+HIM+OUT%3B+Serial+rapist+a+killer+in+the+making.-a0136490309

ETA The point that I'm making is that these offenders should never be released.

This is the case that I was thinking of.

He's still in Carstairs, I believe. The offence that he committed first time round was actually worse than the one that he admitted.

https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/uk-travel/scotland-travel/frail-womans-rapist-jailed-for-life-8rdm8nnwfbw

I thought the same thing but the report stated that because of the way the nursery was set up there were affectively blind spots. Apparently there was no breach there which seems shocking to me. There clearly needs to me a massive reform here. What we've been sold as robust safeguarding procedures are clearly not up to scratch.

The fact still remains though that there have clearly been catestrohphic failures involving certain individuals who were aware of the problems who need it be held accountable.

As you say, where was he working before this? How long for? Reports show he was even working as a baby sitter!! Imagine! This has got to go much further than what he has been convicted of. They literally only had one month of footage. There needs to be answers as to how this man was allowed to be employed this nursery in the first place!!

This is a heinous crime but getting emotional about the circumstances, the judicial system, and the prison conditions does nothing to add to make change.

I think as more of these cases are coming to light, there is less flaming and sneering at parents who admit they are not comfortable placing their pre-school children in the care of men. Especially when you read police reports stating they have found multiple forums on the dark web where men gather to get advice from fellow paedophiles on how to get jobs in child care settings. It’s chilling. This was reported in the Guardian by the way, not a sensationalist article in the Daily Fail.

A colleague and friend of mine has a child who attended a nursery with a male worker who was jailed last year for almost 20 years after being found guilty of abusing babies and toddlers. Unfortunately it is a nursery chain through which employees at our company can access free emergency childcare (they have now stopped working with this nursery). What is unbelievable is that his offences stretched back to 2008 and concerns were raised about him in 2017 when he was a teaching assistant. Yet he still managed to get a job in a nursery. How is this even possible. We need to knock the #bekind and inclusivity shit on its head and stop being afraid of causing offence.

A 30 year prison sentence is not "scott free" even if you think its not long enough. Prison is hardly a holiday camp either, even if they don't let the other prisoners murder him.

This.

who the fuck decided to employ him, keep him employed etc?

and all these parents who “raised concerns” should have removed their kids.

one look at that photo and there’s no way he’d be left in charge of my toddler

we need to be less PC and more “what the fuck is a guy like that doing applying for a job in a nursery”. It’s not like he’s hiding here, he literally looks like a predator

I absolutely concur.
Unfortunately, isn't the blank slate mentality that men and women are the same partially to blame for this piece of scum being employed in the first place?

I get the vibe that you don't believe that they're just the same but with different body parts but I hope you see that this is a question asked in good faith.

@pteromum

I watched it on the lunchtime news today. The lawyers representing the families were saying they're now looking at how this was allowed to happen. I think there are a number of families taking civil action against the nursery management so hopefully that will lead to disqualification!

Yes, I agree with this.

I also don't trust our justice system enough to ever agree with the death penalty. Nor do I think it's something people should be performing, for their MH.

I object to him being isolated. I wouldn't object if he was thrown in with the biggest sex starved desperate men.

he should be in for life, hopefully he'll never get released.

Who on earth employed that to look after kids.

Another one! My mind has lost count over the past two years. wtf is going on

30 years is f* all. I think only young people under 50 think it is a long time. 1996 is not quite yesterday to a 50-year-old but you'd still be an adult (albeit a young one) and time then moves very fast.
The cnut will be out in less time, anyway.
The general public will have forgotten.
He'll look different, too.

But some, apparently, think the death penalty to be a bad thing. God knows why.
I'd bring it back tomorrow for scum like him.

@cocopopseveryday

ive had a basic search and whilst the nursery is closed, presumably all the staff now have jobs? Presumably someone knows where they are. Perhaps they are on here. Perhaps they are now caring for other MN children.

there are no reports of disciplinary action against any other staff that I can find.

I hope they never sleep again.

it goes beyond any basic moral instinct to allow this to happen.

Precisely. They're complicit in the whole thing if they have been alerted but continue to ignore the complaints. It makes you wonder what their motives are behind witholding the concerns from the authorities which they are legally obligated to disclose. He is a monster but what is their excuse?

I’m so glad you didn’t get flamed for this stance.

Whilst I’m ordinarily an articulate and open-minded person, I can’t substantiate why it’s just heebie jeebies when a guy works in early years childcare.

I looked around a nursery and the “headmaster” did the tour. Instant nope. In his second sentence to me he’d told me about his husband. A woman wouldn’t have done that. Just…off. And we can all be woke and #BeKind, but I won’t when it comes to my kid