If reform won the next election I couldn't bear living here but thanks to farage there's nowhere to go

I definitely agree with you.

It’s quite hard to compare a manifesto that doesn’t exist, but Hitlers main policies in 1933 were around state control of the economy, suppression of dissent and the elimination of political opposition. None of these have been touted as policies by Reform, in fact they have been pretty vocal on criticising Labour for increasing state control of the economy and suppressing dissent.

My genuine advice would be do some reading from sources where it’s not sensationalised and you will realise there is nothing to worry about let alone have to leave the country. You may even find you like some of Reforms ideas.

They are billionaires because they know business. They aren’t career politicians who haven’t moved away from their sixth form debating days. Having a party who actually have worked in the UK and created wealth, might just be a positive thing!

I don't think the current labour party are remotely left wing or woke, but I definitely don't think the Conservatives - and particularly the brand of Conservative that kicked out centrists like Rory Stewart and promoted Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman meet that dedefinition. And thats the party that have been in charge for the majority of the last 15 years.

Also Reform are funded by billionaires. Stopping billionaires from taking without contribution is a laudable aim, but it's not one Reform shares

I guess someone would have to convince me that the government taking all my money to redistribute was a good thing…and if I really didn’t like it, I could in the future get high on crack legally to drown all my sorrows.

@everyone
How can we persuade folk to not vote Reform?? Whar are the arguments??

True! It isn’t a manifesto yet is it! They just have a list of policies at the moment op. But you’re welcome to take a look and confirm that there is nothing remotely like 1933 Germany.

@Wellthisisdifficult

See, they give us nothing to work with.
They don’t even have a compelling reason not to vote Reform. They just throw verifiably untrue insults. Yet Reform voters are the ones being called stupid.

Absolutely nobody is good but reform have a manifesto that could be mistaken for a historical record from Germany circa 1933

It would be incredible helpful if you could point out how it could be mistaken for this when Reform don’t have a manifesto.

Exactly! I’m so fed up of virtue signalling idiots. Academics desperate for grants, media in the pay of overseas interests mums desperate for validation on the playground. None of them understand or care about the destruction of British Society and culture..

we will be lucky to survive this Labour government and the Greens would put the nail in the coffin with its valueless. Megalomaniac gun for hire leader. Then they would piss on the grave.

immigration is a massive issue, the collapse of family life is an issue both these things seem important to Reform.

I almost feel like we’ve got to the point where some people might say this and mean it! If it weren’t for the Dutch tomatoes I’d have believed it!

What's so nazi about reform?

Oh, I’ve read their manifesto. Could you point me to the parts that could be mistaken for something from “Germany circa 1933”?
I must have missed that part.

Oh and who should I vote for then?

For you. But for a lot of us, it is pretty good. We have options (UK & EU), we enjoy cultural pursuits, travel and follow some epic sports. Life is good.

Yes. as I said there are also multiple examples of the same people making the case that men can grow a cervix. It’s not really very credible and people probably ignore anything else you say when you claim something like that.

Hello @Czerwonitz

I’d love to know what Labour are doing, that is so beneficial to me, I should not want to vote Reform?

I am a higher earner. Practicing Roman Catholic. One adult child. Diesel driver. Married female, who believes in biology, and has private heath care. And spends a significant amount of the year in America, with a real love of the Deep South.

On the other hand, Reform have aspirational policies to raise the lower and higher tax free personal allowance; remove inheritance tax on estates worth less than 2 million (my parents is worth 1.6 million); I also want to leave all my money to my child; and Reform wish to lower immigration and overall welfare bill.

I realise the argument will be that I’m selfish and it’s not just about me; I should morally want to support many other people as well as my own family; I should want to prop up a nice society for everyone to live in…but the reality is I loathe working and would like to not have to work. Yet I have to work because I have things to pay for and a standard of living to try to maintain and frankly, I’m pissed at having to maintain other people’s standard of living too. Especially when Labour just keep growing the welfare bill through low skill immigration and failure to force people into work and I see no improvement in society as a whole; just continuous decay including a crappy NHS; pothole filled roads; bins now collected every three weeks; rubbish everywhere; a breakdown in society as a whole; less respect for the sanctity of marriage and the family etc etc etc and even my family who have worked every hour in Gods day for years and years, are feeling the pinch.

So am I actually stupid? Maybe Reform won’t deliver…but I don’t know that yet. I do know Labour isn’t delivering for me. The Greens would be a shit show for me (and probably everyone the truth be told). The Conservatives were useless, so why not take a punt on the party whose policies align mostly with my beliefs.

If it turns out they have lied, which it might, then I will consign them to the ‘useless bullshitters’ bin along with all the other parties. But I’m willing to vote to see.

So once again…why should I vote the other parties?

God, this thread. Some of the stories. I mean, people really are thick, aren’t they? It’s mind-blowing.

No. Genuinely did not get it. Its really bizarre and concerning.

And BTW. Reform is far right, because it's pretty far right of the mainstream parties. And there are multiple examples on the internet of media, academics, commentators etc making the case.

Being a populist political party does not preclude extreme politics. If it did, extreme parties would never be voted in.

If you don't like the fact that reform is far right. Maybe you should read their ideas a bit more? Vote them in on immigration. You'll get everything they want.

Did they not understand?

I know someone too, brexit voters, now pissed off they can't go to live in Spain. Its very weird. I genuinely don't understand how people fail to join the dots.

Yes, the very definition of turkeys voting for Christmas while also paying for themselves to be slaughtered.

Ireland of course . Though I can confirm it is now cold , blowing a gale and hasn't stopped effing raining since Christmas. But I don't think Reform will win. Mr Farage is handcuffed to the Madman Across the Water. I'm not sure he really wants the aggro that goes with being PM anyway.
People are starting to see through him. Pity it's taken this awful war to concentrate minds.

But if he wanted to live in Spain and he wanted Brexit, then he would've researched that?

Im assuming this is sarcasm? 😀