If reform won the next election I couldn't bear living here but thanks to farage there's nowhere to go

Go watch this

An "almost civil war" between whom?

It's a Reform/Restore/Tory coalition or - The Greens

Lead by a man who thinks women can have a penis
We should get rid of our nuclear deterrent and wants

TOTAL OPEN BORDERS AND NO DRUG LAWS

It's A Reform win or frankly it's almost civil war. We are in way more trouble than you think.

I mean by it’s still perfectly possible to move to Europe if you meet their immigration criteria, it’s not like we’ve been banned! So just work out what the immigration criteria for that country is and work to scribe that. Or do people just think they’re entitled to do what they like?

Well all the people on mumsnet who moan about Brexit stopping them moving abroad don't seem to realise that. So Europe obsessed

Try Dubai, OP! There's sure to be a lot of property available for rental soon and iots of jobs.

There are plenty more places to move than Europe OP, apply to live in any of those places!

@24kPalamino I think ice can be a bit too heavy handed with going after us citizens. But I know they've also gone after and deported illegals.

Under trump's first administration the us went from importing energy to being a net-exporter of it.

I’m not disputing that fuel is cheaper in the United States, but saying that’s because they’ve “rejected net zero” is a bit misleading. The US has some of the lowest fuel taxes in the developed world and is one of the largest oil producers on the planet. That’s the main reason their petrol is cheaper. Prices have sky records under the Trump administration.
In the UK a large proportion of what we pay at the pump is fuel duty and VAT. Even if the UK scrapped net zero tomorrow, petrol here would still likely be far more expensive because of taxation, not climate policy.

On tariffs, while they can protect certain industries in the short term, they also raise prices across the economy. When tariffs are imposed, businesses that rely on imported materials pay more and those costs usually get passed on to consumers. Now your average Americans shopping basket has doubled due to Tariffs
Other countries also tend to retaliate with their own tariffs, which can hurt exporters. So while tariffs might help a few sectors, the evidence overall is pretty clear on how damaging it is to the economy.

As for immigration at the southern US border, those numbers fluctuate for lots of reasons beyond who happens to be in the White House. Economic crises, political instability (err.. wars - hello) , and migration patterns in Latin America all play a role. Border encounters have been high under multiple administrations partly because enforcement and monitoring have increased, meaning more people are being detected rather than simply slipping through unnoticed.

And on ICE being “heavy handed”, that’s exactly why it’s controversial. Some states limit cooperation with federal immigration enforcement because they believe local police should focus on local crime rather than acting as immigration officers, as it can reduce trust in law enforcement within communities.

I've voted YABU because you sound hysterical. Farage would be a disaster and I cant understand why working people think he would be good when it'll be rich man prioritising his buddies again.

The rest of the world looks pretty shit if you are female but if you are willing to move and work it's not impossible at all.

This response is a bit disappointing from someone who ‘can pretty much guarantee that I know more about EU politics than you will ever be willing to find out’

Yes, this is actually one of the main reasons the debate was lost. Once the left switched from seeing the EU as a capitalist evil to adopting it as one of their entities that is above criticism it was all over.

I didn’t say he lowered fuel prices, but his policy on fuel keeps prices low unlike here in the UK where our ridiculous policy means we are all paying many times what the Americans do. Haven’t been in the US just last month, I can attest that the fuel prices remain significantly lower than elsewhere in the world and this is in partdue to their rejection of net zero.

The tariffs have meant that many industries have chosen to remain in America, meaning American jobs.

and perhaps you need to look at how many people are making it through the Mexican border illegally now compared to when the Democrats were in office. ICE are heavy handed in states where the left are making removal of illegal immigrants difficult for people trying to carry out their job.

We clearly have different ideology and what is important to you is not important to me, and what is important to me is not important to you so it is unsurprising that we will have different views on the same things. But therefore I could end up very very happy with a Reform government, even if you think it’s a disaster,

Sigh…

Err the parliament moves every 6 months. Fact
The EU pay farmers not to farm. Fact before that they threw away the surplus to keep prices high
Wages have only seen real growth since Brexit. Fact
You can still go on holiday for 3 months in Europe. Fact
And I don't actually know anyone who has worked in an EU country. Fact

The EU did try to stop the UK having the COVID vaccine. Fact

The European commissioners who set the agenda for what can and can't be decided by the EU are unelected. Fact

So ....

You must have either not read his Facebook page or be unconcerned about the tendencies displayed therein. If not the outright racism there's a peculiar monothematic quality which appears a bit like a disorder to me. No disrespect those with disorders. You could be a bot. That's another possibility.

What are you on about?
He hasn’t lowered fuel prices, what are you on about - They’ve gone up.

American jobs protected? From whom exactly? From ‘illegals’ who don’t speak English or have the right to work. If they can come and take an ‘Americans’ job that easily, they probably need to look at themselves.

He doesn’t have immigration under control. ICE have been terrorising American citizens and locking them up. The actual percentage of criminals that they’ve manage to deport is negligible compared to the amount of American citizens they have illegally snatched off the streets.

You might want to read the news every now and again.

Ha ha, this is interesting as when you called the pp an idiot and write things like The stuff about “moving the parliament” and the vaccines is an absolute tell. If you believe any of it you’re an easy mark for this and This is all straight-up misinformation straight from the pages of the Daily Express it gave the impression that you were actually quite ignorant of the points that the pp raised and quite a long way from a person who can guarantee that I know more about EU politics than you will ever be willing to find out.

This exchange is a classic.

I think Trump is doing a good job. When I’m in the US, I see Republican supporters are happy with the low fuel costs (I’m there a lot and compared to us they pay pennies). They are happy that immigration is back under control. They are happy that American jobs are now protected. They are happy that Trump is fighting against ‘woke ideology’.
I don’t think Trump was a mistake. I think Kamala would have been. I think this country could do with a strong leader for a change.

Well welcome to Wales!
I’m Welsh and currently looking forward to voting Reform in the May election.

Look at Nigel Farage’s track record, and look at what’s happened in the US under Donald Trump. Farage has openly admired Trump’s style of politics, so it’s reasonable to question where that approach leads. Look at oil prices and the state of the economy in the US.
You might not agree with policies that focus on helping others, but when a society becomes more divided and the gap between rich and poor keeps growing, it creates instability rather than strength. It sounds to me like you need to do more research before casting your vote.
All the promises Trump made and he hasn’t even kept one! (Sound familiar Farage? Ask Clacton how they feel) The MAGA are now looking at their petrol prices, food bills, lack of healthcare and a bill of 3 billion a day to a fund a war that they didn’t agree to, wasn’t approved by congress and has no clear objective and they’re starting to realise the hard way. Don’t make the same mistake.

I'm off to Wales as soon as we're in a position to move

Exactly why I am 3 months into waiting for my Irish citizenship through descent to be approved, hopefully by this time next year I will have my Irish passport. I feel very fortunate to be able to do that.

Sounds great. How does that fit in with trade and defence? How do you form trade and defence alliances if you don’t have reciprocal agreements about labour and regulation? Do you say, “Hey, we’d quite like to team up with your countries to trade goods at favourable rates; and share defence information and peace agreements and all that nice stuff; but what we don’t want is to give your workers any favourable movement, or harmonise our regulatory oversight with yours, or contribute to any shared democratic and cultural initiatives. In fact, we’d like to only import your goods and workers on equal terms with goods and workers from countries who are your political enemies. We’d like your cooperation with our political and trade goals, but we don’t want to make any concessions to yours.”

See how far you get. Perhaps we begin to see why Farage was such a resounding failure as an EU politician…?

You can agree with some brexiteers on some things and disagree with them on another.