Nigel Farage behaviour during talk about Dunblane shooting

Oh I was trying to to be genuinely helpful 😊

Well we haven’t had a similar incident since. So I take that as a win. How is your life worse since this ban?

Yes, and it further exposes his real agenda for taking us out of the EU. 'Sovereignty' my a**.

It was not a knee pjerk reaction. It was a wakeup call.

@Biggermommabear have you told the Dunblane parents that campaigned for gun restrictions that it was a knee jerk reaction and they shouldn’t have campaigned for it?

@TeaView "We didn’t wallow in nonsense by saying that guns don’t kill, people do.🙄 etc."

It's not nonsense, it's quite correct.

The massacre occurred because some people didn't do the vetting job properly.

In 1991 (five years before the tragic event) complaints against Hamilton (the shooter) were made to the Central Scotland Police and were investigated by the Child Protection Unit. He was reported to the Procurator Fiscal for consideration of ten charges, including assault, obstructing police and contravention of the Children and Young Persons Act 1937.
Reports from serving police officers stated that he was unsuitable to own firearms; no action was taken.

The fact there are still shootings suggests our gun laws are still too lax.

I feel proud of the people who campaigned for it and the fact our government accepted it. An awful disaster happened, and we took decisive action. We didn’t wallow in nonsense by saying that guns don’t kill, people do.🙄 etc.

He’s smirking safe in the knowledge he’s unlikely to ever be Charlie Kirked.

I don't know if you are trying to be genuinely helpful, by educating me on the subtle nuances of the English language, or you truly don't understand what is meant by an "ad hominem" attack.

Here's the definition - HTH

"Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background.... "

Since Dunblane, no school has had a shooting incident.

Yet in that time 700 plus USA school shootings. Not all had people killed or died later from injuries.

Vote for Nigel if you want school shootings like they have in the US over here. The gun companies would love to sell more here and will line Nigel's pocket to be able to

Well, I don’t know why anyone is surprised after the stream of claims he was a racist, antisemitic bully at school. He’s truly grim but for some reason Hannah Spencer’s accent and colourful clothes are worse.

Also - fuck farage.

Honestly, bar opening packets of bacon, i dont really use the pointy bit

Even for a paring knife, there could be amendments made to make them not suitable for stabbing with

We have an epidemic in the UK- something needs to be done. This wouldn't be radically expensive, and is an easy fix to keep our kids safe

I don't understand anyone on this thread saying the ban on handguns was excessive?
It was a fantastic move and has done much to keep this country safer from gun crime.

I think his appeal is greatest with ppl who want to tear down everything and start again,..... driven by their seemingly nihilistic hatred of anything that doesnt conform to a narrow, skewed idea of what it means to be British. I think a kind of chaos would be created were NF to get into No.10 ..... served up as ' progress', by an increasingly '1984' style PR machine....and a series of half- baked, ill thought through policies would be rushed out into the void created by the chaos. Eurgh !!!!

How many children were killed there ?

I had to take an intercity train the day after the shooting. People were openly crying as they saw the papers.

I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse or if you just have comprehension difficulties, but of course ‘a year 5 child could understand that’ is an entirely different sentence with an entirely different meaning to ‘my year 5 child understands that’.

Your powers of reading comprehension don't seem great, @Biggermommabear. The post I've quoted is the post you seemed to think @ilovesooty had posted. It is quite obviously from a teacher saying that children in year 5 in the English school system (so aged between 9 and 10) would be capable of grasping that saying fewer people are likely to die in a knife attack than a gun attack is not saying it's better to be stabbed than shot. Obviously nobody wants either form of attack to happen, but nobody wants any form of crime to happen. We put measures in place to try to prevent crime and minimise the harm done when crimes of violence do happen anyway. Banning handguns was a sensible and proportionate measure which as far as I'm aware has indeed meant that gun crime in the UK has remained very low ever since.

I only know it from an 18th century Gilray cartoon, that supposedly lampoons an English judge who made such a ruling.

Maybe the judge had studied the Koran at some point.

I used to know someone who went game shooting. He had to keep his shotgun in a locked gun cabinet securely bolted to the wall, inside a built in cupboard that had to be locked with a padlock and hasp.

He was fine with it, apart from the fact that it was infuriating to have to unlock and relock the built-in cupboard every time he wanted to get the ironing board or the hoover out! For the first few years he had his gun, the police used to call round occasionally, to check that he was storing them in accordance with his licence.

The police here are very strict about revoking licences, too. I've known of cases where people have had their licences taken away because they've been caught drinking and driving, and the revocation has been upheld on appeal. The police position is that if someone is reckless and irresponsible enough to drink and drive, they're too reckless to be trusted with a firearm.

"ok to beat your wife, as long as you didn't use a stick that was thicker than your thumb."

A similar verse occurs in the Koran v 4:36

Care to comment on that?