Nigel Farage behaviour during talk about Dunblane shooting

No.

6th in 2024 is pretty good, right? So the post Dunblane law change doesn’t seem to have affected our participation in the sport too much? Unless we were regularly in medal positions pre Dunblane I guess.

Biggermommabear

Do you mind if I ask; are you American?

Did you not understand Mumsnet HQ's post on Sat at 16.21 either ?

Or maybe you thought, for some reason, it didn't apply to you?

It was, some time ago and I was pretty good at it.

One single person not understanding it doesn’t make it ambiguous.

You genuinely thought that the poster was expressing that she would prefer attackers to have knives than to not attack anyone at all? Come on…

Yep

Is it a hobby of yours?

I disagree, the post was ambiguous.

In addition if all you can post consists of "Ad hominum" attacks, it doesn't say much about the validity of your arguments.

Talking about comprehension, did you not understand Mumsnet HQ's post on Sat at 16.21 ?
Or maybe you thought, for some reason, it didn't apply to you?

@BiggermommabearWhat she actually said was …if these people only had access to knives, far less people would die”

That’s very different to the “if only these people had knives…” which you seem to interpret as expressing a preference for people being stabbed.

I have to agree with other posters about your lack of comprehension skills.

Anyone sensible reading that post understood that she meant she would prefer that someone determined to cause mass casualties had access only to knives and not guns, because it’s impossible for someone to cause the scale of injuries to as many people with knives as they can with a gun.

Because a gun allows them to kill multiple people within literally a second whereas a knife takes longer and requires them to physically go to each victim whereas a gun can be shot at multiple people from afar distance away.

Perhaps you genuinely didn’t understand that’s what they meant?

You accused her of preferring knife attacks to no attacks which was rather silly as she was very clear she would simply prefer a perpetrator to only have access to knives rather than guns. It would have been bizarre for her to add the caveat ‘but I’d prefer they didn’t murder anyone at all’ as it’s so obvious…

The thought of Nigel Farage becoming the next Prime Minister makes my skin crawl. Only stupid people will vote for him.

It matters to those sensible, responsible people who enjoy pistol (target) shooting as a hobby.
It is an Olympic Sport, where GB came 6th in 2024.

Even if it was a “knee jerk reaction and excessive” why does it matter? What do you want a handgun for?

This is not correct.

The Dunblame massacre happened in 1996.

Restrictions tightened in 1997 through two major speedy pieces of legislation that targeted short firearms. The first law introduced a prohibition based on the physical size of the weapon, specifically covering firearms with a barrel shorter than 30 centimeters or an overall length under 60 centimeters.
While there was initially an exception for small-caliber pistols, a second law passed later that year removed that exception.
This effectively placed most handguns into the prohibited category, requiring government permission that is rarely granted.

That legislation went through parliament at a rate of knots.

I don't know what "2 year campaign" you are talking about.

Just read what was written.

PP said "if only these people had access to knives". So she makes it quite clear that knives are preferable, to her, than guns.

Don't berate me because another poster makes ambiguous posts.

So you think "I talk shite like Trump and Farage."?

What politician, IYO, doesn't talk shite and whose opinion you agree with?

I would be very interested in your response.

In Glasgow and the East End, knife crime was a result of gang warfare between rival factions.

Here's how it was tackled

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/europes-murder-capital-glasgow-stopped-excluding-kids-school-3503749

What a stupid comment. The PP didn't say they'd prefer stabbings. They said a knife will not kill as many people as a gun. You talk shite like Trump and Farage.

Tbf many people were, Prince Philip asked if cricket bats were next, because you can kill people with them, as well.

Yes, and it shows that the ban on handguns was the result of a two-year-long campaign by parents (and others). In no way was the ban a "knee-jerk reaction".

I'm not interested in commenting on any specific MPs conduct, but irrespective of their personal views MPs must be able to raise objections to the law so they can be properly considered and debated. There should be no taboo subjects. They have to be able to raise legitimate opposing arguments even when seen as offensive by people who have suffered something awful. If this can't happen we end up with bad law more often.

Theres no way I can be objective on this issue. I was a child in Dunblane 30 years ago and campaigned for a handgun ban.
But I'm glad others can. Bad law from knee-jerk responses to awful things does happen. Its difficult to know what impact a law has had if offences are rare before and after enacting it. I couldn't confidently say for sure if this law has made us safer. I hope it has.

Indeed, knife crime and crime in general started to rise fast in the 60's onwards and we've had waves up and down of knife crimes. It's nothing new, despite what spin shit MP's want us to believe.

That would be good to see, but to be fair, a toddler could make mincemeat out of Farage.

There's a very good, but difficult to watch, documentary on BBC iplayer called 'Dunblane: How Britain banned handguns'.