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AIBU to question praying and sleeping in the library kids area?

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sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 20:12

Yesterday I took the kids to the local library (Inverness, scotland). The local library has a kids area. The kids area has a nice artificial grass mat for the kids to sit and read their books on.

When I entered the library there was a man who had folded the kids mat over so he could kneel on the floor and pray to Allah.

Therefore this prevented the kids from sitting on the mat and reading their books.
The man was praying for a while.

I don't have a problem with someone praying if that's what they want to do.

Is it appropriate to be doing it in the kids area in a local library?

Also, there was a woman curled up in the corner of the library sleeping. This was also in the kids area.

I've seen people sleeping in the library on a few occasions now. I've never seen it in the kids' area.

Ofcourse, I feel sorry for her if she's tired, but again is it appropriate to be using the local library, especially the kids area, as a shelter?

I left the library, and told the staff politely, I didn't find it kid friendly.

Was I being unreasonable?

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SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 23:18

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 23:15

Me not believing in something doesn’t trump anyone else’s right to have faith

..but does someone’s faith trump someone else’s right to live without having to be involved in the nonsense unless they choose to? For example a mother and children visiting a children’s area in a library.

I don’t see it as particularly offensive, if that’s helpful.

My ex-FIL was Methodist, and every Easter used to stand outside the local Tesco with his fellow churchgoers, giving out stuff (crosses made from card, I believe).

Tesco isn’t for that either, I’m just trying to do my shopping without the presence of God. But personally I’d just not take one, and not lose my mind that they’re on offer. It’s quite simple to just not engage in it.

In the library, nobody was making OP pray, and those few minutes of doing anything else wouldn’t have killed anyone. It’s the wrong place, just like Tesco is, but just bloody ignore it and get on with your day once it’s done/you’re out of the way.

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 23:15

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:59

I personally don’t believe in it, but beliefs vary - just like recollections.

Me not believing in something doesn’t trump anyone else’s right to have faith, and it’s incredibly disrespectful to use the terms you have to dismiss their belief system.

I think that’s how most sensible atheists thinks. “Not for me, but you do you.”

Me not believing in something doesn’t trump anyone else’s right to have faith

..but does someone’s faith trump someone else’s right to live without having to be involved in the nonsense unless they choose to? For example a mother and children visiting a children’s area in a library.

Redbushteaforme · 16/03/2026 23:15

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 23:39

You seem to think that me disagreeing with you is me not getting it. You have explained your view, I have a different view.
I have worked in the public sector for years. Council libraries are, and have been for years now, multi use buildings where adults are encouraged to go, as safe spaces, warm spaces, to be open to all. They are very much the unofficial alternative to day shelters, places for lonely people to go, places for the homeless or mentally ill to go. As I mentioned earlier ours has CAB, housing and banking services all within the library space. If for example a Muslim man was homeless, unless there is a mosque in walking distance, a library would be one of the few places I could think of that they could actually go to. It would have been preferable not to use the kids section, but if the room was pretty much empty then I can't see an issue with it.

Mumsnet seems to have this nostalgic idea that libraries are full of people reading. They still lend books but public libraries are in the main essentially community centres, outside of the flagship city centre venues.

There is a mosque within easy walking distance of Inverness Library.

I agree that libraries should be a hub for the local community, but I don't think that their public spaces are suitable for visible shows of praying, whether that's by Muslims or Wee Frees.

In my opinion, no one should be using the children's library space in particular for anything other than reading/choosing books with children (or taking part in children's events like Bookbug sessions). The same goes for people bedded down to sleep. (There are various places welcoming homeless people during the day in or near the centre of Inverness.) It is hard enough to encourage families to use libraries without allowing behaviour which may discourage families to come in.

OP, I suggest that you contact High Life Highland, who operate the library service in the Highland Council area, to raise your concerns and ask what the policy is on the situations you have described.

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:59

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:15

But you think it though don’t you?

I personally don’t believe in it, but beliefs vary - just like recollections.

Me not believing in something doesn’t trump anyone else’s right to have faith, and it’s incredibly disrespectful to use the terms you have to dismiss their belief system.

I think that’s how most sensible atheists thinks. “Not for me, but you do you.”

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:38

UpTheWomen · 16/03/2026 22:23

For someone so forceful and righteous in their language and views, you don’t really seem to understand your own ideology very clearly. Is it ‘the religions where you get chocolate are okay’?

What is this now?

5MinuteArgument · 16/03/2026 22:26

Iamwhoiamwhoareyou · 16/03/2026 22:13

A grown man lays down in the middle of a kids reading area and whether or not he should be there is actually up for discussion? Give your heads a wobble and use some common sense to move him on immediately!

Yes, it's not the job of a library to provide someone with somewhere to kneel on the floor and start praying. If I worked there I would ask him to leave, even if he was doing it in the adult's area.

UpTheWomen · 16/03/2026 22:23

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:12

Of course I’m teaching my children to be intolerant of people attempting to force them out of their space in the name magical beings. No I haven’t banned Christmas, I haven’t actually banned any religious related activities anywhere believe it or not!

For someone so forceful and righteous in their language and views, you don’t really seem to understand your own ideology very clearly. Is it ‘the religions where you get chocolate are okay’?

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:21

Iamwhoiamwhoareyou · 16/03/2026 22:13

A grown man lays down in the middle of a kids reading area and whether or not he should be there is actually up for discussion? Give your heads a wobble and use some common sense to move him on immediately!

Agreed, total madness.

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:17

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:02

It would have been YABU for me.

You could have clicked YANBU, and yet… here we are!

I did.

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:15

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:07

Agreed. Thinly veiled bigotry.

I’m a card carrying atheist, couldn’t be less interested in religion.

But I would never have told my Muslim colleague he was praying to a sky fairy, because basic decency exists.

But you think it though don’t you?

Iamwhoiamwhoareyou · 16/03/2026 22:13

A grown man lays down in the middle of a kids reading area and whether or not he should be there is actually up for discussion? Give your heads a wobble and use some common sense to move him on immediately!

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 22:12

UpTheWomen · 16/03/2026 21:56

Look, I have no truck with organised religion but I am at least respectful in the language I use about other people’s faith. You’ve done the ‘invisible sky fairy’ shtick in every post, it’s boringly repetitive, and it’s not big or clever. I hope you’re not teaching your children to be so rude and intolerant to other members of society. Have you banned Christmas in your house too? Do your kids get an Easter egg?

Of course I’m teaching my children to be intolerant of people attempting to force them out of their space in the name magical beings. No I haven’t banned Christmas, I haven’t actually banned any religious related activities anywhere believe it or not!

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:07

UpTheWomen · 16/03/2026 21:56

Look, I have no truck with organised religion but I am at least respectful in the language I use about other people’s faith. You’ve done the ‘invisible sky fairy’ shtick in every post, it’s boringly repetitive, and it’s not big or clever. I hope you’re not teaching your children to be so rude and intolerant to other members of society. Have you banned Christmas in your house too? Do your kids get an Easter egg?

Agreed. Thinly veiled bigotry.

I’m a card carrying atheist, couldn’t be less interested in religion.

But I would never have told my Muslim colleague he was praying to a sky fairy, because basic decency exists.

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:02

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 21:18

Is it worth any huge detailed interrogation? Also no.

Just so you know, you could have just clicked YANBU

It would have been YABU for me.

You could have clicked YANBU, and yet… here we are!

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 21:59

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:15

My point was there were no children there at that time of day so the space was used for something else.
Had a parent with the children come in they could still access the space - they might have just needed to wait a few minutes until a conversation was finished.

No, I agree with you. Waiting those few minutes wouldn’t have harmed OP either - agreed!

UpTheWomen · 16/03/2026 21:56

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 21:49

She decided to leave because a random man was attempting to communicate with an invisible omnipotent being on the floor of the children’s area,

Look, I have no truck with organised religion but I am at least respectful in the language I use about other people’s faith. You’ve done the ‘invisible sky fairy’ shtick in every post, it’s boringly repetitive, and it’s not big or clever. I hope you’re not teaching your children to be so rude and intolerant to other members of society. Have you banned Christmas in your house too? Do your kids get an Easter egg?

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 16/03/2026 21:54

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:47

I'm out of this thread.
Bye.
It's got far to bigoted and anti man for me.

You haven’t presented any facts with which to attempt to change our minds though, just a series of ever more creative theories.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 16/03/2026 21:51

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:43

The potential risk is they can't get copies of books for their children.
I've never been in a library where there isn't staff members there who can see what's happening and keeping an eye on things.

I've never been in a library where there isn't staff members there who can see what's happening and keeping an eye on things.

Yes, I have already pointed that out. Lone men would need supervision in the children’s area. Please tell me you understand why?

Libraries haven’t always got staff available to supervise random men who want to be in the children’s area so their presence must be restricted.

Annasimon · 16/03/2026 21:51

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:45

FFS.....I said it was a maybe scenario.
The children's section could have been empty and was known to always be empty at that particular time of the day.
So he nipped in to use it.

There is no point which I could say the children's library is always empty at a certain time of day.

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 21:49

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:46

That too. Who knows?
Like I said. We don't know. The OP didn't stop to find out.
She just decided to go all Daily Mail.

She decided to leave because a random man was attempting to communicate with an invisible omnipotent being on the floor of the children’s area,

Annasimon · 16/03/2026 21:49

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:43

The potential risk is they can't get copies of books for their children.
I've never been in a library where there isn't staff members there who can see what's happening and keeping an eye on things.

That's just not always possible all of the time.

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:47

I'm out of this thread.
Bye.
It's got far to bigoted and anti man for me.

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 21:47

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:40

"Oh please" what?
My made up scenario is no more unlikely than the OP's (probably made up) scenario.
We don't know do we?
Because the OP made the decision to leave the library.

Because the OP made the decision to leave the library.

Because a random man had rolled up the children’s play mat and was conducting a strange religious ceremony on the floor of the children’s area.

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:46

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 21:41

Or if he was a secret agent and he was actually decoding a top secret message from a Russian double agent written underneath the children’s play mat.

That too. Who knows?
Like I said. We don't know. The OP didn't stop to find out.
She just decided to go all Daily Mail.

Needmorelego · 16/03/2026 21:45

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 16/03/2026 21:42

This is getting more and more far fetched.

Why on earth would a librarian use the children’s area for his prayers? Seriously??

FFS.....I said it was a maybe scenario.
The children's section could have been empty and was known to always be empty at that particular time of the day.
So he nipped in to use it.