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AIBU to question praying and sleeping in the library kids area?

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sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 20:12

Yesterday I took the kids to the local library (Inverness, scotland). The local library has a kids area. The kids area has a nice artificial grass mat for the kids to sit and read their books on.

When I entered the library there was a man who had folded the kids mat over so he could kneel on the floor and pray to Allah.

Therefore this prevented the kids from sitting on the mat and reading their books.
The man was praying for a while.

I don't have a problem with someone praying if that's what they want to do.

Is it appropriate to be doing it in the kids area in a local library?

Also, there was a woman curled up in the corner of the library sleeping. This was also in the kids area.

I've seen people sleeping in the library on a few occasions now. I've never seen it in the kids' area.

Ofcourse, I feel sorry for her if she's tired, but again is it appropriate to be using the local library, especially the kids area, as a shelter?

I left the library, and told the staff politely, I didn't find it kid friendly.

Was I being unreasonable?

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Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 10:03

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:50

@Blueharmonica

What I mean, because OP actually has left, is that you’re apparently not interested in religion, but are also very interested in religion. Are you unable to just not engage with things you don’t have any interest in?

We also don't have to make everything about misogyny, you know? (Probably also applies to @Annasimon)

So your point is that I’m not interested in religion but interested in people having the option to avoid it? Fair enough.
I don’t really have an interest in micro machines, but if a random man walked into a children’s area, rolled up the play mat, got out some little toy cars and got on the floor making brum brum noises making children uncomfortable …then I’d take an interest. Make sense?

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 10:01

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:50

@Blueharmonica

What I mean, because OP actually has left, is that you’re apparently not interested in religion, but are also very interested in religion. Are you unable to just not engage with things you don’t have any interest in?

We also don't have to make everything about misogyny, you know? (Probably also applies to @Annasimon)

Whats wrong with @Blueharmonicaresponding to the thread? Of course she can.

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 09:59

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:54

It only doesn’t work if you’re the kind of person who wouldn’t see waiting to access Tesco as a mild inconvenience.

You didn’t say you’d close it your example was walking past people.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:54

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 09:53

I bet. Your example still didn’t work.

It only doesn’t work if you’re the kind of person who wouldn’t see waiting to access Tesco as a mild inconvenience.

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 09:53

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:47

@EasternStandard

That would be the same as you waiting for Tesco to re open after it doesn’t allow you entry for 15 minutes.

That sounds like the very end of the world.

I bet. Your example still didn’t work.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:50

@Blueharmonica

What I mean, because OP actually has left, is that you’re apparently not interested in religion, but are also very interested in religion. Are you unable to just not engage with things you don’t have any interest in?

We also don't have to make everything about misogyny, you know? (Probably also applies to @Annasimon)

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 09:47

@EasternStandard

That would be the same as you waiting for Tesco to re open after it doesn’t allow you entry for 15 minutes.

That sounds like the very end of the world.

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 09:24

Annasimon · 17/03/2026 09:11

I honestly despair. Why have we let go of common sense and replaced it with appeasement?

It’s a particular characteristic type that derives self esteem from virtue signalling and implying others are immoral.

Annasimon · 17/03/2026 09:14

Itsabingthin · 17/03/2026 09:12

Prayer takes two min yabu

Yes. Let's curtail to men. Again.

Itsabingthin · 17/03/2026 09:12

Prayer takes two min yabu

Annasimon · 17/03/2026 09:11

I honestly despair. Why have we let go of common sense and replaced it with appeasement?

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 09:06

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 08:55

I would equally ignore it?

Our supermarket occasionally has people selling gas and electric in near the entrance, but inside. I don’t want that either, so I ignore them.

We’re very quick to offence, and I couldn’t imagine giving something I’m not interested in so much priority.

We’re very quick to offence, and I couldn’t imagine giving something I’m not interested in so much priority.

You are arguing for the man to have priority over the children and op in the allocated children’s area are you not? Is it because there is a religious element to this you are arguing that? Or is it just men in general should have priority?

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 09:03

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 08:55

I would equally ignore it?

Our supermarket occasionally has people selling gas and electric in near the entrance, but inside. I don’t want that either, so I ignore them.

We’re very quick to offence, and I couldn’t imagine giving something I’m not interested in so much priority.

It’s not the same thing. You can ignore them and do. You’re asking here for children to just wait for the man and avoid the area.

That would be the same as you waiting for Tesco to re open after it doesn’t allow you entry for 15 minutes.

SleeplessInWherever · 17/03/2026 08:55

5MinuteArgument · 17/03/2026 08:38

Yes, but you're comparing Methodists handing out stuff OUTSIDE Tesco with someone getting down on the floor to pray INSIDE the library.

Would it also be ok for the Methodists to hand out their stuff to people inside Tescos or inside the library?

I would equally ignore it?

Our supermarket occasionally has people selling gas and electric in near the entrance, but inside. I don’t want that either, so I ignore them.

We’re very quick to offence, and I couldn’t imagine giving something I’m not interested in so much priority.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 17/03/2026 08:46

HippityHoppityHay · 16/03/2026 23:29

A lone man in a space specifically reserved for children is never okay.
No exceptions.
No exceptions for religious nutjobs.
No exceptions for men with a fetish.
No exceptions for any men who have an interest in getting close to children they are not related to.

People's religion should be private.
Anyone imposing their religion on others is crossing a line and has no respect for others.

Libraries are for reading not for praying.

People can pray at home, in a mosque/temple/church, in a toilet cubicle which is relatively private, etc.

There is never a situation where it is necessary for a man to pray in a library and even less in an area reserved for children.

He's a dick and he knows it.

Yes, it constantly amazes me how keen some people are to wave away the tiniest bit of suspicion and criticise anyone that suggests it.

Maybe it’s the praying that has given them a false sense of security - it’s not like any religious man has ever been convicted of being a paedophile…. Oh wait.

This reminds me of the many threads about drag queens in children’s libraries and even those awful sexualised drag shows for babies that had a brief phase. Many people raising perfectly legitimate concerns and suspicions as we rightly should debut and man in public behaving oddly near children and a worrying number of people criticising those concerned about the men and possible outcomes.

When did some in society become so keen to wave away even a suspicion about men’s behaviour in public?

5MinuteArgument · 17/03/2026 08:40

CarrierbagsAndPJs · 17/03/2026 07:41

If the library is regularly used by drug users to sleep it off, and nobody approached the man without children using the children’s library about a more suitable space to pray, the issues is poor management of the library.

Id pop a letter or email for the head librarian asking about their policies on both.

Yes, the library needs to make sure that it stays as a pleasant and safe place for ordinary people and their children.

5MinuteArgument · 17/03/2026 08:38

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 23:18

I don’t see it as particularly offensive, if that’s helpful.

My ex-FIL was Methodist, and every Easter used to stand outside the local Tesco with his fellow churchgoers, giving out stuff (crosses made from card, I believe).

Tesco isn’t for that either, I’m just trying to do my shopping without the presence of God. But personally I’d just not take one, and not lose my mind that they’re on offer. It’s quite simple to just not engage in it.

In the library, nobody was making OP pray, and those few minutes of doing anything else wouldn’t have killed anyone. It’s the wrong place, just like Tesco is, but just bloody ignore it and get on with your day once it’s done/you’re out of the way.

Yes, but you're comparing Methodists handing out stuff OUTSIDE Tesco with someone getting down on the floor to pray INSIDE the library.

Would it also be ok for the Methodists to hand out their stuff to people inside Tescos or inside the library?

Annasimon · 17/03/2026 08:36

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 08:18

It does seem to be the children who should just do something else, not a man who is in the wrong place.

Yes..it's the fear of being "offensive". We know where that leads.

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 08:18

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 07:31

In the library nobody was making the man pray, he could have just got on with his day and left the children alone. It wouldn’t have killed anyone.

It does seem to be the children who should just do something else, not a man who is in the wrong place.

CarrierbagsAndPJs · 17/03/2026 07:41

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:30

@saveforthat I feel we are too scared to challenge people now at the fear we will be accused of something horrible. I think that's also how the librarian staff maybe feel.

If the library is regularly used by drug users to sleep it off, and nobody approached the man without children using the children’s library about a more suitable space to pray, the issues is poor management of the library.

Id pop a letter or email for the head librarian asking about their policies on both.

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 07:31

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 23:18

I don’t see it as particularly offensive, if that’s helpful.

My ex-FIL was Methodist, and every Easter used to stand outside the local Tesco with his fellow churchgoers, giving out stuff (crosses made from card, I believe).

Tesco isn’t for that either, I’m just trying to do my shopping without the presence of God. But personally I’d just not take one, and not lose my mind that they’re on offer. It’s quite simple to just not engage in it.

In the library, nobody was making OP pray, and those few minutes of doing anything else wouldn’t have killed anyone. It’s the wrong place, just like Tesco is, but just bloody ignore it and get on with your day once it’s done/you’re out of the way.

In the library nobody was making the man pray, he could have just got on with his day and left the children alone. It wouldn’t have killed anyone.

EasternStandard · 17/03/2026 07:22

SleeplessInWherever · 16/03/2026 22:59

I personally don’t believe in it, but beliefs vary - just like recollections.

Me not believing in something doesn’t trump anyone else’s right to have faith, and it’s incredibly disrespectful to use the terms you have to dismiss their belief system.

I think that’s how most sensible atheists thinks. “Not for me, but you do you.”

Not where ever, which is why the children’s area exists. They get their own space without it.

floppybit · 16/03/2026 23:43

tonyhawks23 · 13/03/2026 20:29

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

Ffs

HippityHoppityHay · 16/03/2026 23:29

LBFseBrom · 16/03/2026 15:50

I am a Londoner, know and have known many Muslims as colleagues, fellow parents when my offspring was at school and neighbours. I have never in my life known one who would pray like that in a public library. They pray (those who adhere to the religion), at home or in the mosque.

All I can say is this man is a very eccentric Muslim. Britain is known for its tolerance of eccentricities; the only thing to say to children who may witness this is that it takes all sorts, he is doing no harm.

It could well create a problem if loads of people did that in a public place or an average work place but they don't.

There are eccentrics and fanatics in every religion, some of whom go public and even publicly proselytise. I doubt this man was praying for very long, the ritual prayers are generally 5-10 minutes.

A lone man in a space specifically reserved for children is never okay.
No exceptions.
No exceptions for religious nutjobs.
No exceptions for men with a fetish.
No exceptions for any men who have an interest in getting close to children they are not related to.

People's religion should be private.
Anyone imposing their religion on others is crossing a line and has no respect for others.

Libraries are for reading not for praying.

People can pray at home, in a mosque/temple/church, in a toilet cubicle which is relatively private, etc.

There is never a situation where it is necessary for a man to pray in a library and even less in an area reserved for children.

He's a dick and he knows it.

Greyblankie · 16/03/2026 23:19

Id have sent the kids in and let them run riot. It’s the kids area, he’d have to find somewhere else