AIBU to question praying and sleeping in the library kids area?

@Blueharmonica (I know you also asked)

Tommy Robinson is hosting a “rally” in London in May. Or rather he was, not sure if he is now he’s in America.

The tag line is “one nation, under God,” so the connotation and marketing is that it is at least in some way religious.

That rally will involve blocking roads, transport delays, inconvenience for those who aren’t interested in being Under God.

I would be keen to know, if we are to believe it’s a Christian event and not just an excuse for a shout, if that mass event is also subject to the same scrutiny as Muslims praying.

Surely, if it’s causing inconvenience for those who don’t believe in God, and don’t wish to attend, it’s as frowned upon?

Having that problem specifically because of someone’s gender or religion is discrimination.

No it is perfectly lawful and sometimes desirable to discriminate on the basis of sex in many situations because of the behaviour of one particular sex.

Implying that your average Muslim wants to murder us into submission is also discrimination.

Except I didn’t say that so don’t make stuff up.

We all know what discrimination is, people just forget to apply it to whichever group they’re taking issue with.

Yes, you don’t seem to be able to see discrimination based on age.

It has been explained before, the religion of the guy is not really relevant (although it is part of a forming pattern which is a slightly different topic). His sex, unnecessary presence and entitled behaviour in the space IS.

@Blueharmonica (I know you also asked)

Tommy Robinson is hosting a “rally” in London in May. Or rather he was, not sure if he is now he’s in America.

The tag line is “one nation, under God,” so the connotation and marketing is that it is at least in some way religious.

That rally will involve blocking roads, transport delays, inconvenience for those who aren’t interested in being Under God.

I would be keen to know, if we are to believe it’s a Christian event and not just an excuse for a shout, if that mass event is also subject to the same scrutiny as Muslims praying.

Surely, if it’s causing inconvenience for those who don’t believe in God, and don’t wish to attend, it’s as frowned upon?

I do have a small, vulnerable child - and wouldn’t have seen this as a threat. I’d have seen it as an annoyance, but not intimidation.

I don’t think pointing out someone is in the incorrect space is discrimination. I couldn’t be bothered personally, but it’s not discriminatory.

Having that problem specifically because of someone’s gender or religion is discrimination. Calling people’s faith performative rituals for sky fairies is discrimination.

Assuming that the unwanted behaviour is specifically because of the gender (any gender) or religion of the person, not just because they happen to be an arsehole, is discrimination.

Implying that your average Muslim wants to murder us into submission is also discrimination.

All of this is fairly average stuff that most intelligent people can understand. We all know what discrimination is, people just forget to apply it to whichever group they’re taking issue with.

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

I do have a small, vulnerable child - and wouldn’t have seen this as a threat. I’d have seen it as an annoyance, but not intimidation.

I don’t think pointing out someone is in the incorrect space is discrimination. I couldn’t be bothered personally, but it’s not discriminatory.

Having that problem specifically because of someone’s gender or religion is discrimination. Calling people’s faith performative rituals for sky fairies is discrimination.

Assuming that the unwanted behaviour is specifically because of the gender (any gender) or religion of the person, not just because they happen to be an arsehole, is discrimination.

Implying that your average Muslim wants to murder us into submission is also discrimination.

All of this is fairly average stuff that most intelligent people can understand. We all know what discrimination is, people just forget to apply it to whichever group they’re taking issue with.

I do have a small, vulnerable child - and wouldn’t have seen this as a threat. I’d have seen it as an annoyance, but not intimidation.

I don’t think pointing out someone is in the incorrect space is discrimination. I couldn’t be bothered personally, but it’s not discriminatory.

Having that problem specifically because of someone’s gender or religion is discrimination. Calling people’s faith performative rituals for sky fairies is discrimination.

Assuming that the unwanted behaviour is specifically because of the gender (any gender) or religion of the person, not just because they happen to be an arsehole, is discrimination.

Implying that your average Muslim wants to murder us into submission is also discrimination.

All of this is fairly average stuff that most intelligent people can understand. We all know what discrimination is, people just forget to apply it to whichever group they’re taking issue with.

You haven’t explained what this event is or how it is remotely similar to laying out hundreds of prayer mats on the ground and effectively blocking access to a space for any non Muslims.

When you do I will be able to comment.

Afaik there are no other religions that set up in public spaces deliberately blocking people from from walking around on aeroplanes , libraries, blocking roads and other public spaces but feel free to point out any you have come across - I’m always open to new information.

Can you elaborate on this Christian event that is taking over London and then people can make their minds up. It’s a massive derail but I’m interested where you are going with this.

All this stuff about London, Tescos, micro machines and disabled parking spaces aside is your genuine view really that the op and her children have been discriminatory? Really? Do you not think your desire to virtual signal and think of yourself as ‘tolerant’ might be overriding common sense…just a bit? Try thinking of it from someone with small children’s point of view rather than as a Labour voter.

Did you notice PP saying “well no, Christian events shouldn’t be taking over areas of London either.”

No, you didn’t, because that’s only an issue when it’s the “wrong” group of people.

We’re either anti performative religion or we’re not, make your minds up!

Can you elaborate on this Christian event that is taking over London and then people can make their minds up. It’s a massive derail but I’m interested where you are going with this.

All this stuff about London, Tescos, micro machines and disabled parking spaces aside is your genuine view really that the op and her children have been discriminatory? Really? Do you not think your desire to virtual signal and think of yourself as ‘tolerant’ might be overriding common sense…just a bit? Try thinking of it from someone with small children’s point of view rather than as a Labour voter.

I just think it’s important to recognise that women can also inconvenience people and/or be in the wrong place.

There was a woman sleeping in OPs post, the library is neither a bed nor a hotel. Don’t see as much uproar about that?

The key here, that you’re missing, is that it was a temporary inconvenience.

He hasn’t taken the library, it was 5mins of waiting. Unless we’re subscribing to the idea that libraries will eventually become mosques in all but name - and we’re not, surely.

Did you notice PP saying “well no, Christian events shouldn’t be taking over areas of London either.”

No, you didn’t, because that’s only an issue when it’s the “wrong” group of people.

We’re either anti performative religion or we’re not, make your minds up!

Ha ha, I’m not sure being unaware of a Christian event can be classed as discrimination. It must be quite disappointing to have not called anyone a racist on this thread yet.

Only having an issue with one religions performative space invading is obviously discriminatory.

So desperate to call out "islamophobia"

No responsible parent teaches their children to wait around when there's a lone men in a children's area.

Interesting that you didn’t know about the Christian event proposed but do know about prayers in Trafalgar Square.

Could your attitude to specific religions be a little biased?

You are so apparently so chill and unbothered about everything yet you have spent quite a lot of time arguing against us having our own standards of acceptable behaviour on this thread.

And you do keep mentioning types of women you have a problem with.

Are you suggesting children are the same as disabled people? Bold take.

I happen to have a disabled child, who has to either move or wait quite regularly. People using disabled spaces because they don’t fancy the walk to the shop, or using disabled toilets because they’re convenience.

I have never yet made a scene, complained to the building owner, or started a thread about it on Mumsnet.

We teach him the valuable lesson of waiting, use the facility we need, and move on. Bigger things to worry about!

He should have stayed away, however he was already there. Moment to stay away has passed. For me the most sensible thing to do with that is to just get on with it, for those few (fairly irrelevant) minutes.

Interesting that you didn’t know about the Christian event proposed but do know about prayers in Trafalgar Square.

Could your attitude to specific religions be a little biased?

I don’t think you understood.

Coming here to whinge about a Muslim man praying in your library isn’t going to make him move. He’s probably not here.

I also don’t particularly favour either men or religion, despite your many attempts to claim otherwise.

It’s mummy’s in Range Rovers usually plonking themselves in disabled parking spaces, and I wouldn’t bother creating a thread for the either. I’d just wait, possibly roll my eyes.

I don’t just ignore religious men in my way, I also ignore pretentious women who are in the wrong place - and the whole scale inbetween, because I don’t make my frustrations about gender, ethnicity or religion.

You’re making this more than it needs to be. Presumably because you’d like the “gotcha” that I somehow prefer men invading spaces to women doing it.

Had it been a woman in the wrong space, I would equally say “we just hang on, it’s not that big of a deal.”