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AIBU to question praying and sleeping in the library kids area?

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sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 20:12

Yesterday I took the kids to the local library (Inverness, scotland). The local library has a kids area. The kids area has a nice artificial grass mat for the kids to sit and read their books on.

When I entered the library there was a man who had folded the kids mat over so he could kneel on the floor and pray to Allah.

Therefore this prevented the kids from sitting on the mat and reading their books.
The man was praying for a while.

I don't have a problem with someone praying if that's what they want to do.

Is it appropriate to be doing it in the kids area in a local library?

Also, there was a woman curled up in the corner of the library sleeping. This was also in the kids area.

I've seen people sleeping in the library on a few occasions now. I've never seen it in the kids' area.

Ofcourse, I feel sorry for her if she's tired, but again is it appropriate to be using the local library, especially the kids area, as a shelter?

I left the library, and told the staff politely, I didn't find it kid friendly.

Was I being unreasonable?

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Mere1 · 13/03/2026 22:19

Creepybookworm · 13/03/2026 20:37

I work in a public library. Don't know if it's the same in Scotland but sleeping is officially not allowed. We turn a blind eye if someone nods off on a chair but absolutely no to curling up on the floor. Also would move them on if doing anything in the children's area with no kid. Might have offered him the use of a side room.

This is an appropriate response!

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:18

@SpiritAdder I am not saying that people in poverty shouldn't be using libraries. Ofcourse they should be welcomed there. There are hundreds of children living in poverty too, and the library is a free space for them to go and learn and read books. There space shouldn't be taken over by adults praying and sleeping.

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Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:18

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:48

@SpiritAdder Mum sing a long classes are clearly advised at the library. Therefore you know that's what you may encounter. I don't see the library advertising "safe sleep space" "pray freely in the kids area" advertised. Therefore I don't expect to encounter it at the library.

Might be different in Scotland, but in our area the library is the main designated warm space, as well as the place everyone is signposted to use the internet for their benefits requirements, and is the only place I'm aware of that has free toilets and free drinking water. CAB are based there too. So it pretty much serves as a daytime shelter for anyone vulnerable.
No point telling them to go to a homeless shelter, they were either closed, or they're temporary places that kick people out at 7am and they can't return until night.

bumptybum · 13/03/2026 22:17

tonyhawks23 · 13/03/2026 20:29

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

Because it’s preventing the area being used for what it’s designed for. And children should be absolutely prioritised in the children’s area. Clue is in the name.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 13/03/2026 22:17

Not being unreasonable. There is a difference between someone quietly and discreetly praying to themselves, and someone physically and publically occupying a childrens reading space for worship. Its not the place to do it and completely inappropriate.

Dollymylove · 13/03/2026 22:16

tonyhawks23 · 13/03/2026 20:29

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

In a children's area? Any adults in there should be parents/carers only.
I would be making a complaint in writing to the council

BedlamEveryday · 13/03/2026 22:14

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:07

@SpiritAdder so at what point does it become a hostel and not a library? Are our kids just meant to trip over people sleeping on the floor in the library? That's why I am saying the council should have another place for people who need somewhere to sleep.

Won’t someone think of children?!!!

Yes, he could have found a quieter spot.

No, this is not some secret masterplan that Muslims have to convert everyone and impose shariah law in the UK.

Viviennemary · 13/03/2026 22:14

It's cheeky and inconsiderate.

Iggi999 · 13/03/2026 22:14

Prayers are pretty quick aren't they? I'd use it as a chance to talk to my children about a different religion.

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:12

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:07

@SpiritAdder so at what point does it become a hostel and not a library? Are our kids just meant to trip over people sleeping on the floor in the library? That's why I am saying the council should have another place for people who need somewhere to sleep.

If your council has a money tree, then absolutely they should spend a few hundred million on this. Unfortunately that’s not the current state of affairs.
In the meantime, I think as a community we should be sharing the public spaces that do still exist and not reserve them for the more fortunate.

See https://fuelpovertypanel.scot/our-publications/the-scottish-fuel-poverty-advisory-panel-newsletter-july-2025/.

This year’s Scottish House Condition Survey paints a difficult picture of what increasingly looks like an entrenched fuel poverty figure of around a third – with 34% of Scotland’s households in fuel poverty.

More worryingly the figures showed that 19.4% of these households are in extreme fuel poverty, with the fuel poverty gap now estimated at £1,250.

OnAWingannaprayer · 13/03/2026 22:10

Ahhh .... now I see how it's possible. Sad me had to google it, as I had visualised a small area! It's like a hall ! Can see how some might find it inviting, for a little snooze or a place to offer one up 🙌🏾

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · 13/03/2026 22:10

We do get a few rough sleepers who like to hang out in our local library for many hours, but I've only seen them in the adults' section, never in the much smaller kids' area. I've never seen anyone using the kids' area for praying either. I don't think most adults would dream of doing either, as it would look odd and they would be unlikely to get any peace.

On the other hand, the library does have a few study/meeting rooms and I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to sleep or pray in one of those as it's rare to see them all in use.

Anewerforest · 13/03/2026 22:09

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:42

@JLou08 I absolutely agree homeless people should have some where safe to go to sleep. I don't think it should be in children's learning space. I go to the library to encourage my children to read and find fun in books. I don't go to introduce them to Allah, drug users, and seeing people lying on the floor sleeping. It's just not appropriate. Also, I think a lot of people come off the bus and use it as a cheap place to sleep

Have you expressed your concerns to the council and the librarian OP? You are clearly quite sure that you are not being unreasonable to object to a Muslim person praying in the library, so there's nothing much we can add really. Contact the authorities.

OhNoThankYou · 13/03/2026 22:09

tonyhawks23 · 13/03/2026 20:29

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

There’s nothing wrong with prayers or rest or bathing or food shopping or doing your washing up or undressing or… any of those things. It’s just… sometimes there’s better places to do them? I don’t know, just a thought. 🙂

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:09

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:04

I feel that is a a problem with your perceptions or perhaps your viewpoint on religion. There is no reason to be intimidated by a silently praying person who isn’t barring you from doing anything. You don’t have a right to feel comfortable in every public space you go into.

The problem is very very clearly this man’s perception of what the children’s area of a library is for and not the op’s viewpoint on religion.

EvangelineTheNightStar · 13/03/2026 22:09

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:04

I feel that is a a problem with your perceptions or perhaps your viewpoint on religion. There is no reason to be intimidated by a silently praying person who isn’t barring you from doing anything. You don’t have a right to feel comfortable in every public space you go into.

So if op and dc had plonked themselves down on the floor too and started loudly and enthusiastically reading “Going on a Bear Hunt” with all the actions next to him.. would that be ok?

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:07

@SpiritAdder so at what point does it become a hostel and not a library? Are our kids just meant to trip over people sleeping on the floor in the library? That's why I am saying the council should have another place for people who need somewhere to sleep.

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SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:04

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:56

@Blueharmonica That's exactly how I felt intimidated. Almost if him and his religion was superior to us that he had the right to take over our space. It just made me feel so uncomfortable.

I feel that is a a problem with your perceptions or perhaps your viewpoint on religion. There is no reason to be intimidated by a silently praying person who isn’t barring you from doing anything. You don’t have a right to feel comfortable in every public space you go into.

Needmorelego · 13/03/2026 22:04

He may have been a member of staff and maybe the children's area is usually fairly quiet and empty that time of day so he thought he could do his prayer quickly without bothering anyone.
I don't think the prayer would have taken long. A few minutes if that.

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:04

shuggles · 13/03/2026 21:58

@Annasimon Anyone, praying would be asked to leave. A Muslim asked permission once. I refused because a library is an apolitical and non religious space.

This is a weird perspective. I agree that a library should be a neutral spot when it comes to politics and religion, but I don't see why that should prevent people from praying. Neutrality on religion does not mean that religious needs cannot be catered for, especially those needs that do not interfere with other people (such as praying).

All libraries have books written by authors with strong political perspectives, along with different religious texts such as the Bible, so I don't see how your viewpoint fits with the reality of what a library is.

What are you talking about? Of course all libraries have books written by authors ! It’s a library! I tell you what all libraries don’t have, men in the middle of the children’s area on the floor preying to an invisible being. Do you know why? Because they’re libraries. It’s really very simple.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 13/03/2026 22:03

JaneBoleyn · 13/03/2026 20:23

I think id try to lean on the perspective that anyone walking into a library should be welcomed.

Yes, but why have a children's area (not just books but mat to sit on etc.) if you’re not going to reserve it for children?

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:02

@TY78910 🤣🤣 I took the pictures to go straight on the family group chat because I was so shocked by it🤣 I wouldn't post the pictures with people's in it on here.

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SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:02

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:48

@SpiritAdder Mum sing a long classes are clearly advised at the library. Therefore you know that's what you may encounter. I don't see the library advertising "safe sleep space" "pray freely in the kids area" advertised. Therefore I don't expect to encounter it at the library.

I see mine advertised as warm places for anyone who can’t afford to heat their home so imho, people are going to do quiet activities they would normally do at home if they could put the heat on. This includes praying and sleeping. I take it you’ve never been so cold you cannot sleep?

shuggles · 13/03/2026 22:00

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:56

@Blueharmonica That's exactly how I felt intimidated. Almost if him and his religion was superior to us that he had the right to take over our space. It just made me feel so uncomfortable.

I'm not understanding this at all, and I am saying this as someone who wishes that all channel crossings would stop and that we had tighter immigration controls.

To me, a person praying is nothing. I don't see why it's an issue. Again, I am questioning whether this actually happened because it would be very strange for a Muslim to take over a play area when libraries generally have loads of free space for praying.

Ponderingwindow · 13/03/2026 21:59

I reserve a study room at our local library at least once a week. One of the many rules I have to agree to is that the room is not for sleeping. It has some specific wording that makes it clear they won’t ban you if you nod off over your book, but that you can’t intentionally misuse the space.