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AIBU to question praying and sleeping in the library kids area?

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sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 20:12

Yesterday I took the kids to the local library (Inverness, scotland). The local library has a kids area. The kids area has a nice artificial grass mat for the kids to sit and read their books on.

When I entered the library there was a man who had folded the kids mat over so he could kneel on the floor and pray to Allah.

Therefore this prevented the kids from sitting on the mat and reading their books.
The man was praying for a while.

I don't have a problem with someone praying if that's what they want to do.

Is it appropriate to be doing it in the kids area in a local library?

Also, there was a woman curled up in the corner of the library sleeping. This was also in the kids area.

I've seen people sleeping in the library on a few occasions now. I've never seen it in the kids' area.

Ofcourse, I feel sorry for her if she's tired, but again is it appropriate to be using the local library, especially the kids area, as a shelter?

I left the library, and told the staff politely, I didn't find it kid friendly.

Was I being unreasonable?

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stargirl27 · 13/03/2026 22:53

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:52

Again, you’re struggling with context. This wasn’t an organised religious event.

Explain the context you say the poster is missing please

stargirl27 · 13/03/2026 22:52

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 22:51

Singing classes have no place in libraries. People need peace and quiet to read and study, especially young people with no quiet place to study at home. Praying and sleeping are far preferable because they are usually silent, bar a bit of snoring and the clicking of prayer beads.

God the singalongs at my local library do my head in!! I really feel for the teenagers I see studying there.

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:52

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:49

No I'm struggling to understand why some people think they can hide behind racism.
I can't imagine the poster will be back with the same 'boycott our libraries' thread next month when libraries start holding Easter events.

Again, you’re struggling with context. This wasn’t an organised religious event.

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 22:51

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:48

@SpiritAdder Mum sing a long classes are clearly advised at the library. Therefore you know that's what you may encounter. I don't see the library advertising "safe sleep space" "pray freely in the kids area" advertised. Therefore I don't expect to encounter it at the library.

Singing classes have no place in libraries. People need peace and quiet to read and study, especially young people with no quiet place to study at home. Praying and sleeping are far preferable because they are usually silent, bar a bit of snoring and the clicking of prayer beads.

YellowFruitBowl · 13/03/2026 22:50

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 22:47

Ah yes. The UK is uniquely tolerant/foolish (delete according to your political persuasion). Mark my works, this is how it starts, praying in public libraries. By 2030, the UK will be a majority Muslim country because 6.5% can become 100% in four years. It's all the fault of Starmer and the WEF.

You’re forgetting the sinister sleeping…

goldenhunter · 13/03/2026 22:50

This didn’t happen though did it OP. Nice try though!

stargirl27 · 13/03/2026 22:49

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:30

@saveforthat I feel we are too scared to challenge people now at the fear we will be accused of something horrible. I think that's also how the librarian staff maybe feel.

What did the staff say about it?

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:49

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:39

What you are actually struggling to understand, is context.

No I'm struggling to understand why some people think they can hide behind racism.
I can't imagine the poster will be back with the same 'boycott our libraries' thread next month when libraries start holding Easter events.

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 22:47

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:34

@AgnesMcDoo because it wouldn't be tolerated in other countries.

Ah yes. The UK is uniquely tolerant/foolish (delete according to your political persuasion). Mark my works, this is how it starts, praying in public libraries. By 2030, the UK will be a majority Muslim country because 6.5% can become 100% in four years. It's all the fault of Starmer and the WEF.

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:47

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:44

Did I miss the part that the library reserved the space as his personal prayer room or where the man told OP to leave, or did you make it up?
Ordinarily prayers would be done in a more private space, if someone for whatever reason felt the need to pray in an open public area then they would be aware of the public being around them. Though given the OP was there at a time that the vast majority of children would have been at nursery or school it might have seemed the least in demand space at the time.

As I said I'm not religious but if you object to a few minutes of personal reflection and thanks, which is what praying is, I think that says a lot about you as a person.

Personal reflection and thanks should be an intensely private matter unless you’re in church/ mosque/ synagogue. To assume it’s ok to just roll up a rug in the children’s area and pray is incredibly presumptuous.

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:45

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:39

You’re sounding a bit unhinged here, like you think there is some kind of cult conspiracy to intimidate people in the library.

Cult conspiracy? Nope just one man with an imaginary friend and low self esteem attention seeking and testing boundaries to let people know he matters and to give him a momentary sense of power. You’re less likely to get someone telling you to sort yourself out in the children’s area.

YellowFruitBowl · 13/03/2026 22:44

Gosh, those Muslims faux-naive Mners keep meeting, spreading their prayer mats in places calculated to get in the way, must be terribly busy, with all the other stuff they’re also doing, like banning Christmas and forcing everyone to refer to Winterval trees. No wonder they keep falling asleep. 🙄

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:44

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:37

So children should avoid their area in the library while a grown man gets on his knees and chants to an invisible man in the sky!?

Did I miss the part that the library reserved the space as his personal prayer room or where the man told OP to leave, or did you make it up?
Ordinarily prayers would be done in a more private space, if someone for whatever reason felt the need to pray in an open public area then they would be aware of the public being around them. Though given the OP was there at a time that the vast majority of children would have been at nursery or school it might have seemed the least in demand space at the time.

As I said I'm not religious but if you object to a few minutes of personal reflection and thanks, which is what praying is, I think that says a lot about you as a person.

WhimsicalObsidian · 13/03/2026 22:43

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Womaninhouse17 · 13/03/2026 22:43

TY78910 · 13/03/2026 20:33

As long as that would also extend to someone sitting down with their eyes closed whispering their Hail Marys twiddling with their rosemary beads.

And why wouldn't it? Personally, I'd prefer nobody to pray anywhere - but realistically, if they did it quietly and unobtrusively, I can't object. It's the noisy activities that take place in libraries that drive me mad - song sessions, people chatting on phones, knit and natter meetings...

suki1964 · 13/03/2026 22:42

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:27

The children I had with me are all under three and not at nursery yet. Anyway, I won't return to the library with my children. Soon the library will die out and it will become a shelter. I feel is a shame for children.

Haven't read all the posts, just yours, and you have really outed yourself

The man praying, would not have been doing so for more then 10 mins - usually less if s/he is as fast as a Catholic doing a Rosary

Really no inconvenience to you if you were planning on spending time enough that your child needed floor time as well

Its Ramadan, its lasts 40 nights.

Im not saying this person should be inconveniencing everyone through their own needs, however Libraries have been opened as safe warm places to everyone , the Scottish Gvt being more open then most about what is acceptable in Gvt buildings

I suggest you voice your prejucies concerns to your MP and your Ballot paper

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:41

AnonymousLibrarian · 13/03/2026 22:34

I work in a library.
Our policy in the library is to allow people to nap in a chair if not causing an obstruction or causing a problem, we have a line of chairs in a quiet area, but no lying down across chairs or on the floor.
No lone adults in the children's area, no moving about of mats or the main chairs, adults are asked to leave the children's area if just sitting or hanging about. Adults can look for books etc without children but we don't want adults on their own sitting observing children. This is a safe guarding risk.
We have adult seating areas.
So we when we became aware of the person sleeping we would have asked them to move to the quiet area. The man praying, if we could have stopped him prior to starting we would have asked him to move to an appropriate area, such as our quiet area, and not fold up our mat as it prevents children from using it and may damage the mat. If he was part way through I would have left him, and waited for him to finish and then told him not to do that again and explained the options. I would also suggest he bring his own mat.
If any of those people complained I would have explained that we want everyone to feel welcome and have space to enjoy the books and the library as intended. Sleeping and praying is not our primary function but we have suitable areas where people are most welcome to rest or pray. We have 4 suitable areas for adults so I never know why they want to hang out in the kids area!
Children need to be protected, families can easily be put off by lone adults in the children's area and we are keen to keep this area welcoming and safe. I am not afraid to tell adults if they are not being considerate and regularly move people into other areas.

Thank you a very sensible post.

Lmnop22 · 13/03/2026 22:40

tonyhawks23 · 13/03/2026 20:29

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

It’s not that’s it’s wrong to pray or rest, it’s that there’s a time and place to do so and the children’s area of a local library is neither

Indianajet · 13/03/2026 22:40

Of all the things I would find intimidating, a man quietly praying would not be on the list.

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:39

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:34

Tbf objecting to someone praying is pretty horrible. I mean, you're objecting to taking a few minutes of their day to reflect, give thanks, and remind themselves of the need to be humble.
I'm not religious but I struggle to see what is offensive about that.

What you are actually struggling to understand, is context.

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:39

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 21:49

Honestly, what is your point with this questioning? Where are you coming from with this? A man went into a library in a kids area and started worshiping a supernatural being knowing full well it would intimidate children and parents. He wanted to mark his territory and prove that his particular supernatural entity was above the children or anyone else wanting to use the library. Stop with the virtue signalling nonsense, do you really think it helps anybody? This is unacceptable behaviour, as well you know.

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You’re sounding a bit unhinged here, like you think there is some kind of cult conspiracy to intimidate people in the library.

saveforthat · 13/03/2026 22:39

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:35

Don’t be scared away from your local library! Go back and next time speak to the staff.

Or go back and start reciting the Lord's prayer on the mat and see if you are welcomed or asked to stop.

AnonymousLibrarian · 13/03/2026 22:38

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:27

The children I had with me are all under three and not at nursery yet. Anyway, I won't return to the library with my children. Soon the library will die out and it will become a shelter. I feel is a shame for children.

Please email your library and tell them how you feel. I feel strongly that they should have dealt with this. Using a children's area in this way is not appropriate.

TY78910 · 13/03/2026 22:37

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 22:02

@TY78910 🤣🤣 I took the pictures to go straight on the family group chat because I was so shocked by it🤣 I wouldn't post the pictures with people's in it on here.

😂 fair. I thought you were about to start the complaints procedure 😂😂

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:37

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:34

Tbf objecting to someone praying is pretty horrible. I mean, you're objecting to taking a few minutes of their day to reflect, give thanks, and remind themselves of the need to be humble.
I'm not religious but I struggle to see what is offensive about that.

So children should avoid their area in the library while a grown man gets on his knees and chants to an invisible man in the sky!?