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AIBU to question praying and sleeping in the library kids area?

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sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 20:12

Yesterday I took the kids to the local library (Inverness, scotland). The local library has a kids area. The kids area has a nice artificial grass mat for the kids to sit and read their books on.

When I entered the library there was a man who had folded the kids mat over so he could kneel on the floor and pray to Allah.

Therefore this prevented the kids from sitting on the mat and reading their books.
The man was praying for a while.

I don't have a problem with someone praying if that's what they want to do.

Is it appropriate to be doing it in the kids area in a local library?

Also, there was a woman curled up in the corner of the library sleeping. This was also in the kids area.

I've seen people sleeping in the library on a few occasions now. I've never seen it in the kids' area.

Ofcourse, I feel sorry for her if she's tired, but again is it appropriate to be using the local library, especially the kids area, as a shelter?

I left the library, and told the staff politely, I didn't find it kid friendly.

Was I being unreasonable?

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LakieLady · 13/03/2026 23:12

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 21:56

@Blueharmonica That's exactly how I felt intimidated. Almost if him and his religion was superior to us that he had the right to take over our space. It just made me feel so uncomfortable.

I think that's a "you" problem, not a "him" problem.

It must be tricky fitting all the Islamic prayers in during a UK winter. The intervals between the midday, afternoon and sunset prayers must be quite short, especially as far north as Inverness.

stargirl27 · 13/03/2026 23:12

MaidOfSteel · 13/03/2026 23:10

The naïveté is so faux.

Much like OP’s.

2dogsandabudgie · 13/03/2026 23:11

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:58

Why would it make them feel uncomfortable though? I think that's the 'context' that we're all looking for someone to explain. Do you usually find people in prayer intimidating?

I'd find it annoying. I don't go to a library expecting to see a man on the floor praying, especially in the children's library.

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 23:11

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 23:07

When (going from the OP) the room was empty bar one other adult, and at a time when the vast majority of children would have been at school or nursery. In a type of building that councils are actively encouraging people to use as a public space, as has been mentioned re designated warm spaces, benefits access etc.

@Bollixtothat I mean this genuinely, if you think that a man praying is intimidating I think you need help. That's such a bizarre take. The idea that he is controlling the space is entirely your projection.

Are you under the impression that councils are actively encouraging men to prey in children’s areas of libraries? He obviously is controlling the space, what is it that you are not getting here?

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 23:11

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 23:06

Do you usually find people in prayer intimidating?

Would it help to use the word situation rather than context? Do you usually find naked people in the gym changing room intimidating? What about if they got on a bus with you?

No it doesn't help at all. A person praying, to me, does not become threatening if they're praying in a different 'situation'. Islam requires prayers five times a day, at specific times. People find the best option they've got at the time. Some of my colleagues at work pray, I've never felt threatened at work because of it.

cshp · 13/03/2026 23:10

sunshine240778474 · 13/03/2026 20:47

@Creepybookworm most occasions I have went into this library there has been people sleeping. Without sounding judgemental a lot of them look like drug users. Again, I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have somewhere to sleep, but the library isn't a shelter. The health visitor encourages mums to take their children to the library for learning. I felt more like a shelter then a library. I don't feel safe. Again the body odour was horrendous. People sleeping with their shoes and socks off.

Be mad at the systems not the people. They're looking for shelter and Internet access during the day, they may only have an overnight shelter or be rough sleeping. Its cold. Library is free.

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 23:10

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 23:01

I would find a grown man in a public library praying loudly intimidating. Moreso a Muslim in a Christian country. I would also find it uncomfortable watching a Christian praying openly in a Muslim country. People are allowed to be uncomfortable when men try to control our public spaces- and it always men.

Our public spaces? So British Muslims don’t belong in “our” public spaces because we are a “Christian” country? Interesting, so it’s not really about the children. It’s about Muslims taking over “our public spaces”

Public spaces are for everyone.

And “moreso” a Muslim man praying is intimidating, moreso than all other religions?

MaidOfSteel · 13/03/2026 23:10

tonyhawks23 · 13/03/2026 20:29

I don't get why it's inappropriate?what's wrong with prayers and rest?

The naïveté is so faux.

fruitfly3 · 13/03/2026 23:08

It’s just inconsiderate OP. The need for someone to pray doesn’t outweigh your desire to access the children’s play area in a library for its intended purpose. Hard no also to people sleeping there with their shoes and socks off. Whilst it’s sad, again their needs shouldn’t come before those of everyone else. It’s a library not a hostel. The library was my refuge with my small children and both these issues would massively put me off.

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 23:07

When (going from the OP) the room was empty bar one other adult, and at a time when the vast majority of children would have been at school or nursery. In a type of building that councils are actively encouraging people to use as a public space, as has been mentioned re designated warm spaces, benefits access etc.

@Bollixtothat I mean this genuinely, if you think that a man praying is intimidating I think you need help. That's such a bizarre take. The idea that he is controlling the space is entirely your projection.

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 23:06

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:58

Why would it make them feel uncomfortable though? I think that's the 'context' that we're all looking for someone to explain. Do you usually find people in prayer intimidating?

Do you usually find people in prayer intimidating?

Would it help to use the word situation rather than context? Do you usually find naked people in the gym changing room intimidating? What about if they got on a bus with you?

Palpmo · 13/03/2026 23:06

Yanbu, but I’m not surprised, the amount of drug related anti social issues in Inverness at the minute is ridiculous. Children’s section of the library shouldn’t have people taking up space by praying or sleeping, just kids and parents/guardians doing appropriate things

stargirl27 · 13/03/2026 23:04

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 23:01

I would find a grown man in a public library praying loudly intimidating. Moreso a Muslim in a Christian country. I would also find it uncomfortable watching a Christian praying openly in a Muslim country. People are allowed to be uncomfortable when men try to control our public spaces- and it always men.

I think this is a pretty sad and narrow minded view to be honest. Why is it a problem to observe your religion if you are in a country where that is not the primary religion?

I’m an atheist but definitely pro multi culturalism and can’t see the problem with a Muslim praying in a Christian country or vice versa.

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 23:02

I find it interesting that OP is so exercised by these stray adults in the children's section of the library that she has time to photograph the folded-over mat and post on MN, but not do the obvious thing and fetch a member of staff to move the praying man and the sleeping women to the adult part of the library.

Typo

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 23:01

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:58

Why would it make them feel uncomfortable though? I think that's the 'context' that we're all looking for someone to explain. Do you usually find people in prayer intimidating?

I would find a grown man in a public library praying loudly intimidating. Moreso a Muslim in a Christian country. I would also find it uncomfortable watching a Christian praying openly in a Muslim country. People are allowed to be uncomfortable when men try to control our public spaces- and it always men.

tutugogo · 13/03/2026 23:00

When you went in were there any other children? If not then at least the space was being used. The man praying didn’t ask you to be quiet or go away did he? If not your children could have sat and read books whilst he prayed

MagicMarkers · 13/03/2026 22:59

fashionqueen0123 · 13/03/2026 20:59

A single man in the kids section? I would tell the staff. Why would he need to go there out of the whole library.

I’ve never seen anyone sleeping in a library in my life but I live in an affluent area and all homeless people are known to the council.

Id ask the staff to move them out of the kids area though. Plus surely it’s noisy there?! Our has rhyme time etc and kids banging away on instruments !

I live in an affluent area and I've seen homeless men sleeping in the library. It's too dangerous to sleep outside during the night and it's warm in the library.

The praying would annoy me. It's so intrusive and performative to do it in such a public spot. We wouldn't do yoga or dance practice or lie on the floor in the kids' section. Why should his praying be special?

Blueharmonica · 13/03/2026 22:59

stargirl27 · 13/03/2026 22:53

Explain the context you say the poster is missing please

The children’s area of the library is the context

YellowFruitBowl · 13/03/2026 22:59

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:54

The very epitome of a sleeper spy…

Ooh, good catch.

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:58

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:55

You’re comparing celebrating Easter in what is essentially still a Christian country with a grown man taking over a children’s area and making women and children feel uncomfortable?

Why would it make them feel uncomfortable though? I think that's the 'context' that we're all looking for someone to explain. Do you usually find people in prayer intimidating?

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:57

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:55

You’re comparing celebrating Easter in what is essentially still a Christian country with a grown man taking over a children’s area and making women and children feel uncomfortable?

One woman.
And the take over was more of a borrowing for a few minutes before she had even entered the library.

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 22:57

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:28

A library is not the place for prayers- surely this should be private at home or in his church? I wouldn’t be happy and I would have complained. Why the need to pray in a children’s area of all places ? Next time roll the rug back on the floor and sit on it with your child.
And a huge no to the sleepers too!

Not all religions worship in a church.

Bollixtothat · 13/03/2026 22:55

Birdsongisangry · 13/03/2026 22:49

No I'm struggling to understand why some people think they can hide behind racism.
I can't imagine the poster will be back with the same 'boycott our libraries' thread next month when libraries start holding Easter events.

You’re comparing celebrating Easter in what is essentially still a Christian country with a grown man taking over a children’s area and making women and children feel uncomfortable?

SpiritAdder · 13/03/2026 22:54

YellowFruitBowl · 13/03/2026 22:50

You’re forgetting the sinister sleeping…

The very epitome of a sleeper spy…

IdaGlossop · 13/03/2026 22:53

YellowFruitBowl · 13/03/2026 22:50

You’re forgetting the sinister sleeping…

Yes. Sleeping is not always sleeping. It may really be dreaming up plans for the GREAT REPLACEMENT.