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AIBU To think there is joy to be had in womanhood?

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ProudMammysHouse · 13/03/2026 17:22

Just saw this tweet by MP Rosie Duffield: https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/2032146070046650812

" "Joyful in their womanhood" is something no biological woman has ever said and meant, ever."

And it's just made me really sad for her. I know things aren't perfect and some parts of being a woman are downright unfair but to be this negative about it just seems like there are other issues going on with her.

Am I the only one who has ever felt beautiful, powerful and dare I say, joyful, in my womanhood?

Rosie Duffield MP (@RosieDuffield1) on X

@nyaraVT "Joyful in their womanhood" is something no biological woman has ever said and meant, ever.

https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/2032146070046650812

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LeftieRightsHoarder · 16/03/2026 20:24

Rosie Duffield is one of the few Labour MPs to stand up for women’s single-sex rights. And her gutless colleagues made life hell for her. The ‘joy’ quote sounds like a man playing at being a woman.

I am joyful that we have heroic women like Rosie on our side!

JobHelpPleasex · 16/03/2026 20:04

And sex has the potential to be 10 times better for women than it can be for men. I am very sexually experienced and I firmly believe it!

It's also classically attested (although I think it was 9 time not 10 😂)

Deadringer · 16/03/2026 20:03

I love being Irish too.

Deadringer · 16/03/2026 20:02

I love being a woman. I am not particularly feminine, dont wear make up much or dress up, not thrilled with periods or menopause or any of the shit stuff but I am very happy being female. I dont think i have ever felt joyful in my womanhood though, or miserable in it, for that matter.

Ilovelurchers · 16/03/2026 19:47

Interesting thread.....

Society makes being a woman joyless. The constant descrininatuon that we face, the hatred and the violence....

But having a female body is a wonderful thing. The ability to grow another human inside you, and feed it from your body, that's joyful!

And sex has the potential to be 10 times better for women than it can be for men. I am very sexually experienced and I firmly believe it! It's very sad that this is so often not the case, because society discourages women from taking joy in sex - but if we can break free of that and find the way to do so, and love and understand our own bodies enough to make that happen (and talking about it helps too - women must keep talking about sex!) - what a wonderful thing.

I love my mind too. I don't know to what extent I am like I am because I am a woman, or whether it's just me.... But my emotional intelligence, my nurturing nature, my endless capacity for love - these things bring me deep joy!

ladygindiva · 16/03/2026 19:36

RobinInTheCrabApple · 13/03/2026 17:51

Being a woman makes me very happy. If I woke up to be a man tomorrow I'd be well pissed off. My friendships with other women are one of the great joys of my life. I come from a line of women who were strong, warm, clever, brave, loving, generous, successful, creative and with whom you would not mess.

All the angst that comes from being a man? The pissing contests, aggression, violence, war, bravado, buttoned up emotions, machismo shit? Nah, they can keep it.

I agree. Brilliantly put.

SatinPajamas · 16/03/2026 19:01

Where did I claim equality in Afghanistan? I just said I don't think the men are enjoying the war either 🙄

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 16/03/2026 18:47

The problem is biology. That nasty little reality. Men are bigger and stronger and socialised to take what they want. Women are the nurterers and carers. There was a time in Northern Europe - and millennia ago in the Med, before Rome - when women were valued for being life givers. Nowadays life is cheap.

The women in Sudan are getting gangraped before being blown up, and are you really claiming equality in Afghanistan? The women there get beaten up for being heard by a man ffs. Their brothers, husbands and their own sons are complicit with this.

SatinPajamas · 16/03/2026 18:33

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 14/03/2026 16:36

I wonder how much joy in womanhood is being found in Sudan or Afghanistan at the moment too.

Men will always push women out of the way when competition for resources becomes intense because they can and because we are one of the resources they most desperately want. Women push other women aside for the same first reason too.

All animals will fight over resources when they become scarce, it's a fight for survival, nothing to do with sex. No woman is going to starve to death willingly for the sisterhood.i doubt the soldiers being blown up in Sudan or Afghanistan are experiencing joy in their manhood either.

You're confusing poverty and war with sexism.

1000StrawberryLollies · 14/03/2026 16:58

I'm very fortunate, in that I haven't experienced many of the awful things that lots of women suffer. The one specifically female thing that I feel and felt joy about is having children. But actually, the good parts of that are not a specifically female thing. Dh was joyful about having children too. He didn't have to do the morning sickness or labour though. They weren't joyful at all. Imo the joyful things in life are not specific to being a woman.

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 14/03/2026 16:36

I wonder how much joy in womanhood is being found in Sudan or Afghanistan at the moment too.

Men will always push women out of the way when competition for resources becomes intense because they can and because we are one of the resources they most desperately want. Women push other women aside for the same first reason too.

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 14/03/2026 16:08

ForAmusedHazelQuoter · 14/03/2026 15:57

I love being a woman, I have 3 DS’s, a DH and DB and fantastic female friends. My wonderful DM encouraged me to try and activity I wanted. I feel powerful, important and fulfilled.
I don’t think being a woman is the stitch up, being poor is.

Interesting. Speaking as a woman from poverty, both are stitch ups. A woman from any given social - or economic more to the point- class is worse off than the males in that class. Sometimes all women are disregarded in favour of men from any class.

ForAmusedHazelQuoter · 14/03/2026 15:57

I love being a woman, I have 3 DS’s, a DH and DB and fantastic female friends. My wonderful DM encouraged me to try and activity I wanted. I feel powerful, important and fulfilled.
I don’t think being a woman is the stitch up, being poor is.

Pricesandvices · 14/03/2026 15:39

There's no joy in womanhood specifically IME. Puberty was awful, (thanks lifetime of excessive hair) and female friendships were thin on the ground.

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 14/03/2026 15:34

The women in that article quite clearly says that they love their children. This is not a failure of love. But they regret that they had to lose their freedom and ability to do almost everything to do it.

Men do not have that. Men do not pay a fatherhood penalty. Habitually the same behaviour among women, either sex or parenthood or working, is a stigma and source of shame for women and a source of blame for our lower class status. For men it’s something to be celebrated.

And we are lower class. In the 90s we were told it was going to be different. We were going to have equality. Men were going to do their share. Remember that. Remember that women are always betrayed by men.

ProfessorBinturong · 14/03/2026 15:25

I don't think it was like that decades ago.

Anything that changes over time - especially such a short time - is not innate. Culture, not sex.

ProudMammysHouse · 14/03/2026 15:24

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 14/03/2026 15:02

I’ve never found any ‘joy in womanhood’. Being brought up as a lesser being in the family, every whim of my brothers and father being more important than me, being left to do the cooking and mind the baby while my mum ran around being treated like dirt by the all important family earner. Going out for a bit of peace from the shouting and sexism only to be followed around and in dangerous positions from men outside. The risk of pregnancy and being blamed for male sexual abuse. The example and role models of celebs who are little more than porn queens, while porn we’re told becomes an acceptable career for women. The limitations of jobs which still exist no matter how much some rich women point to stories of ‘the first woman chancellor” (eg) and claim it means we have no job limitations, having grown up being told you can’t do this that or the other because you’re female but you have equality so still have to work until you’re 70. Working regardless only to watch women’s careers being tainted by the idea of ‘contribute more’ and having to pay to work now. The cost of the Motherhood Penalty and watching your ‘life partner’ take all the sacrifices you made as his natural entitlement and use them to live an easy life in the job he always wanted while you’re left scrabbling around in low pay women’s work having to compete with well-off kids. Having to run around after older men while battling your own health problems caused by too much work, as women’s health services take a nose dive.

What do you think of this story op? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkvge4rkmo

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First, I'm so sorry your family situation was like that.

Second, I think only those who truly want to be parents should be and that a state that values it's future should help financially support all children as default. So not just universal healthcare but also early years childcare and schooling though university. It would go a long way to ease financial burdens on mothers and would also standardized early education so we don't have such a gap in development when children enter proper school.

I'm not arguing that society at large celebrates womanhood but I do find it really depressing how many women seem to distain everything about themselves. So many, like you, have internalized being lesser than that I can almost understand why so many detest trans women now.

This idea that trans women just pick the parts of women hood they like completely disregards that in this country any woman can choose her life path, motherhood or no, marriage or no, make up and dresses or jeans and boots. And that so many either don't seem to know they can choose joy or maybe they just feel more comfortable in misery is sad.

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guinnessguzzler · 14/03/2026 15:17

That's an incredible quote from bell hooks @LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta thanks for sharing. I have to admit I have never read anything of hers so will need to do that.

OrdinaryMagicOfAcorns · 14/03/2026 15:02

I’ve never found any ‘joy in womanhood’. Being brought up as a lesser being in the family, every whim of my brothers and father being more important than me, being left to do the cooking and mind the baby while my mum ran around being treated like dirt by the all important family earner. Going out for a bit of peace from the shouting and sexism only to be followed around and in dangerous positions from men outside. The risk of pregnancy and being blamed for male sexual abuse. The example and role models of celebs who are little more than porn queens, while porn we’re told becomes an acceptable career for women. The limitations of jobs which still exist no matter how much some rich women point to stories of ‘the first woman chancellor” (eg) and claim it means we have no job limitations, having grown up being told you can’t do this that or the other because you’re female but you have equality so still have to work until you’re 70. Working regardless only to watch women’s careers being tainted by the idea of ‘contribute more’ and having to pay to work now. The cost of the Motherhood Penalty and watching your ‘life partner’ take all the sacrifices you made as his natural entitlement and use them to live an easy life in the job he always wanted while you’re left scrabbling around in low pay women’s work having to compete with well-off kids. Having to run around after older men while battling your own health problems caused by too much work, as women’s health services take a nose dive.

What do you think of this story op? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkvge4rkmo

A mother with her two children by the sea

'A trap you can't escape': The women who regret being mothers

From mourning the life they no longer have to feeling never-ending pressure, women tell the BBC why they regret becoming mothers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkvge4rkmo

Burntt · 14/03/2026 14:56

There is certainly joy for me. It’s all wrapped up in being a mother mainly. Also think I’d rather has sex as a woman that be a man.

but the negatives unfortunately outweigh the joy that’s too true. That’s because of men though and what they do to us and the world they have created and run. It’s not because I’m a woman it’s because of how men treat women.

before kids I may have said the hellish periods are not worth it. But having kids reduced my endo pain and the pain was worth it to be a woman and be a mother. I don’t think a father can be as important to a child as an amazing mother, certainly an amazing father can be better than an average mother but not better than an amazing mother

BlackMilk · 14/03/2026 14:53

PaintNPaper · 14/03/2026 09:37

I think the context of her tweet is important, it was a reply to this tweet - "You are a miserable, misogynistic woman who is envious because trans women actually “want” to live as women and are joyful about their womanhood.. "

Women might feel happy to be women or enjoy parts of womanhood but she's right, it's not something a woman would ever go around saying particularly. I think she's just annoyed at having womanhood 'explained' to her by men.

Well, this makes a big difference.

Of course a trans-woman is going to find more “joy in being a woman”. They are able to pick and choose which aspects of womanhood they want to “experience”.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 14/03/2026 14:43

guinnessguzzler · 14/03/2026 13:50

@LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta I don't disagree with you about our biology but I do think it's also part of what makes women so wonderful. It took me a long time to realise that constant change is a defining feature for almost all women in a way it just isn't for men. That, combined with our biological vulnerability, I think is a large part of what has made us develop to be more cooperative, adaptable, able to cope with whatever life throws at us and so on. There are a number of men in my life who I have huge love and respect for but far fewer than the women I know. And even the admirable men I can think of mostly seem much less well rounded than the women; they might be good at one or two things but they're not holding it all together in the same way, probably partly because they don't have to. When I see the difference between the girls and boys in my kids' classes, I really despair. It is the girls getting involved and taking advantage of opportunities and only ever one or two of the boys and that applies across everything except football. I don't think it was like that decades ago. My Dad still talks about being taught to sew at school. I don't know what happened.

"It took me a long time to realise that constant change is a defining feature for almost all women in a way it just isn't for men. That, combined with our biological vulnerability, I think is a large part of what has made us develop to be more cooperative, adaptable, able to cope with whatever life throws at us and so on."

I agree with everything you said. It's annoying to be so biologically vulnerable, as you aptly put it, but it is indeed why we are so cooperative, caring, and resilient.

"There are a number of men in my life who I have huge love and respect for but far fewer than the women I know. And even the admirable men I can think of mostly seem much less well rounded than the women; they might be good at one or two things but they're not holding it all together in the same way, probably partly because they don't have to."

Agree, there is a certain two-dimensionality to them. My H, who is reading a lot of feminist literature these days, says this about men himself, and he sees it in himself too. He calls it emotional stuntedness and often quotes bell hooks: “The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is ...that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves.”

Yes, I'd rather have painful periods for 40 years, the dangers and exhaustion of pregnancy and childbirth, and even the shit menopause than be so alienated from my interior and from other people.

ginasevern · 14/03/2026 14:26

I'm very proud to be a woman. I think it's something very special and cannot be replicated by a man. No matter what surgery they have or how many drugs they take, they will never have the insight, sensabilities or adaptability that I (and most women I know) possess.

guinnessguzzler · 14/03/2026 13:50

@LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta I don't disagree with you about our biology but I do think it's also part of what makes women so wonderful. It took me a long time to realise that constant change is a defining feature for almost all women in a way it just isn't for men. That, combined with our biological vulnerability, I think is a large part of what has made us develop to be more cooperative, adaptable, able to cope with whatever life throws at us and so on. There are a number of men in my life who I have huge love and respect for but far fewer than the women I know. And even the admirable men I can think of mostly seem much less well rounded than the women; they might be good at one or two things but they're not holding it all together in the same way, probably partly because they don't have to. When I see the difference between the girls and boys in my kids' classes, I really despair. It is the girls getting involved and taking advantage of opportunities and only ever one or two of the boys and that applies across everything except football. I don't think it was like that decades ago. My Dad still talks about being taught to sew at school. I don't know what happened.

Deerinflashlights · 14/03/2026 13:30

I completely agree with you @ProudMammysHouse I absolutely love being a woman. The world is so far from being perfect and I have sat at the sharp edge of that a fair amount but I don’t see the world’s ills as my problem to fix so I just focus on trying to keep my own teeny section of it in order.

I suspect as an MP, Rosie feels a lot more responsible for sorting out the really big problems which must be some weight for her to carry. There are some real issues for women out there.

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