AIBU to expect job adverts to include salary ranges upfront?

(But if I was very keen because everything else looked good, I would enquire before applying, if they wouldn’t disclose I wouldn’t proceed).

We don’t include it in the advert, but HR do have a phone call with everyone on the long list before finalising shortlisting. So we wouldn’t be having face to face interviews with anyone we didn’t think we could offer something within a reasonable range of their expectations.

I’m not sure about including on the advert, but I admit I’m not sure why I’m hesitant. Any time I’m not quite sure I’ve had a chat with HR or the recruiter to clarify before submitting the application, so why not just put it out there. I guess I feel it could fuel even more unrealistic expectations. And I really don’t subscribe to the unionist view that everyone on the same job spec should be paid the same, individual negotiations and performance are an important component.

Yes, I won’t apply for a job without a salary range advertised. I’m in a field where my job title could bring in £30,000-£100,000+ and while the sector might give some indication, it’s not always obvious to predict so I won’t waste my time as I am at the top end of the range now.

Most reputable employers seem to, but I would question the culture of an organisation who doesn’t operate transparently and would assume that would be the tip of the iceberg of issues.

Not advertising the salary significantly reduces the amount of applicants. On the rare occasion we can’t reveal it we disclose the range when replying to applicants. If their required salary is outside the range we don’t waste their time.
We pay above market rate though.

I dont apply if the salary is not listed. Its just a total waste of my time to fill in the application, or do enough research to tailor the cv and cover letter to fit a job that turns out to be 20k lower than what I currently earn.

It's a sign of a dodgy employer imo.

If salary range was not published, I would probably swerve the company and not bother applying. If I was really interested, I would contact them to ask before investing any time into the application. If they refused to be transparent about it, then I just wouldn't bother.

It’s shit not to quote a salary range.
You’ll be missing lots of great potential applicants by not stating it.

When I was much younger I asked a person senior in my company why they didn't state the salary in job adverts.
I was told "we don't want people applying just for the money..."

Its work.. I only come here to get paid. 😳

I had a phone interview with one listing competitive salary. It was minimum wage

Looked at a job lately. No dalary in advert.
I asked.
Was told "competitive".

I 'll be the judge of that.

Told them I wouldnt be applying unless I knew it was more or equivalent to my current job.

I won't apply for any role that doesn't advertise a salary. I once got 3 interviews deep into an application process for a job at a "competitive salary" within my industry, at a similar, if not slightly higher level than my existing role. It got to the offer stage and the salary offered was 38k, I was earning 75k at the time. It was a huge waste of time for everyone involved.

They know because we are a serious business with a serious reputation in the industry working with serious clients. We wouldn't have our position in our market place if we couldn't attract people with genuinely competitive salaries

How do they know that if you won't even confirm the range in the advert?

I'm not going to waste my time applying for a role that it appears matches my specialist skills and experience only to find out right at the last second that whilst they've advertised for an expert, they're actually planning to take the piss and offer a junior admin wage on a endlessly rolling zero hours contract so they can wait until a man turns up.

These things are true and, as an employee, I am far from immune from them.

At the same time, there is not an infinite pot of money in our business to hire and pay people.

This is being banned in the EU too.

Government roles are really bad for asking this ime!

I just don’t bother applying for anything that doesn’t have at least a salary range listed.

I don’t want to work for an organisation that can’t be transparent about something so absolutely fundamental. II mean - it’s work. We get paid for it.

Especially pathetic when the job ends up being for a perfectly ordinary salary. It’s like putting a bog standard terrace house on the market as ‘POA’.

Get over yourselves!

And they don’t want current staff, maybe promoted internally and lowballed, to know what they pay external hires.

I had a quick look for an example. A role at Apple in California has over a 100k USD salary band range.

https://jobs.apple.com/en-gb/details/200649830-0670/head-of-strategy-and-business-planning-apple-tv?team=MKTG

That question always irks me!

I’d argue that still doesn’t make it ok. Salary transparency should be widely promoted across the board. Because if we re honest, the reason why employers don’t advertise a decent salary range is because they’re wanting to get away with paying the lowest possible that an employee will accept.

Totally agree. Especially if they ask you your current salary during the application process.

I think certain states in the US like California and New York need to publish salary bands for roles.
I’m not American or based in the US, but speaking to my US friends in those states, they say it just becomes Mickey Mouse numbers as the salary bands are so wide and ‘catch all’ that it doesn’t have a big significance when actually applying and you may as well be in the same boat as not knowing.

But I suppose you can at least give your salary expectation within the band, but I am guessing most people would just go for the top band.

No-one in my industry does that. We'd look odd as a business if we did. People in the industry understand that.

🤷🏼‍♀️ you’re obviously comfortable with your choices but I’m just saying that from my perspective, any employer that won’t be clear with me from the outset about what they’re willing to pay isn’t one I’d waste my time with and I doubt I’m in the minority.