AIBU to think women should collectively down tools to demand change?

When you say “your idea is shit” and “you’re shit”, you don’t say the same thing.

Why find “insulting” such an hypothetical, inconsequential, pie in the sky, off the cuff vague idea? Especially when we’re on the same side or try to?

I’ll leave you to it.

You’re right, freedom of expression is for everyone, including me. You appear to be under the impression that I should somehow justify my belief’s to you. I’m not going to do that. women are allowed to challenge each other’s ideas and speak honestly about them. But your level of anger towards me for doing just that is disproportionate and seems to suggest that you actually don’t think I should have a voice. That is actually the most anti-feminist thing I’ve read on this thread.

The women of Iceland did so in order to change their own society. OP would seem to have us believe that our doing so could change Afghan society, which is laughable.

The only thing it would do here would be to divide good men from the women, since (and this may come as a surprise) good men dont actually like being labelled as bad people when they’ve done nothing wrong.

The bad men wouldn’t give a flying fuck.

I understand the sentiment OP.

However, I'm a single mum with a child. I have sole control of my home, raising my son, my finances, what I buy, what I do. My boss is a woman. I gave up on any intimate relationship with a man 15 years ago.

Now my only interactions with men are professional, either work relationships in my office or hiring a plumber or car mechanic.

I've quiet quit already. 😊

https://www.thedayicelandstoodstill.com/

The women of Iceland did this in 1975 to some effect. So calling the original post embarrassing and inane is a bit ... embarrassing and inane. '

You can strongly disagree or find it bonkers without calling it “insulting”. That she has different views to yours is not an insult to your superior intellect, it’s a different opinion.

You made it personal and all about you. My life has not been sheltered, but yours seems or you would be less intolerant and self-centered.

And someone who claims to be a feminist should really not jump at the jugular of other women like that.

Feminism is for all women, even the ones you disagree with. Freedom of expression is for everyone, even the ones you disagree with.

Discussing an issue with other people means that some of those people will undoubtedly disagree. In fact, 75% of people on this thread disagree with the OP.

OP is entitled to feel how she does, and I am equally entitled to find the OP’s comments insulting. If that is “way out of line” for you, then I suggest you have led a very sheltered life.

OP is writing a post to open a discussion on a forum, not a effing thesis in sociology over 5000 pages, she can’t mention all the potential scenarios.

And the statistical truth is that most women bear a disproportionate share of childcare, etc, and are heterosexual.

It still does not warrant to call her “insulting”, that was way out of line.

Care to explain why?

Inane nonsense.

But as the men who do do the scary things are completely indistinguishable just by looking from the men who don't then how are women meant to know?

we're just expected to take the chance

Like the 4b movement in Korea?

All very well over here but I doubt the women of Afghanistan would agree it's the best time to be a woman

I think there are two primary drivers of our patriarchal society.

The obvious one is strength; the majority of men can physically overpower the majority of women.

The second one is simple but subtle, and I think even more fundamental. This is that the vast majority mothers will put the needs of their children before their own. In any conflict of interest between a man and a woman that implicates the welfare of their joint children, is will almost always be the woman that capitulates. This also applies more widely to other caring responsibilities within the family and community. I don't know how much of this is down to socialisation, but IMO this is why women are screwed over by men time and time again. Men are inherently more selfish.

Re. the 'wars and the Epstein files' comment in the OP.

I think it is highly likely that a lot of women are involved in decisions to go to war. We think of world leaders but there are people around them who assist in decision making, men and women.

Ghislaine Maxwell...

'Not looking after children.' No thanks. I love looking after my children (as does my DH).

That's irrelevant to those women who have suffered abuse

But ONS stats tell us that 98% of sexual assaults are committed by men.

Most men don’t do scary things. 🙄

Agreed. But to show willing I'll give up bad sex for the global sisterhood 😁

Sorry but this is so silly. You don’t think MEN are dying in Wars? They're the ones being drafted and forced to fight and die. Stop being ridiculous.

And while you are standing naked, starving in the streets you will feel so virtuous.

Only if it's good sex to be fair

My local MP. MSP and several local councillors. Thank you. It's just very disheartening when you knock yourself out and when you need support. It's not there.

I can get on board with not working or producing or buying anything as a protest to an extent. But how on earth is it beneficial to me, or any other woman, to stop having sex which is an enjoyable thing to do.