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Are the recent predator schemes a step too far?

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Doone22 · 12/03/2026 07:46

I've been seeing lots on the news recently about various schemes to protect women from predators when they are outside their homes but are they going too far?

So I'm talking about schemes whereby either police patrols or AI cameras or both decide that a male is acting "inappropriately" near a woman and send someone to intervene before a crime is committed. But I really dislike the idea of this level of monitoring - we already have the most heavily filmed society in the world and big brother levels of policing what we say, even in private: because of course someone else gets to decide if we are allowed an opinion and if its the right one. Just this week it was announced yet another impediment to free speech with the Labour government going hard against criticising Islam. And who the hell decides what is inappropriate anyway?

There have been outcries before about the suggestion that science could predict who will grow up to commit crimes and intervene in the formative years to prevent it/ this doesn't seem much different but because its labelled as protecting women (sod the male victims) its ok?

On the news today the minister going out with the police patrols in Colchester was basically saying it was ok to get as drunk as you like because its society's job to keep women safe from predators. I think that's a terrible message - why abdicate all responsibility to the state? And its not a great idea for anyone to get so drunk they can't look after themselves - not just women but men put themselves in terrible danger from getting totally out of it (traffic accidents, falling in the river, getting into fights, getting assaulted). So in my mind its labelling lots of behaviour before a crime is committed but also ignoring men's safety. Why can't they call it what it is - a total invasion of privacy on the spurious assumption that AI can decide who is good and who is bad?

Change my mind - I really can't get my head around this.

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OSupergran · 12/03/2026 11:45

You're being quite vague about what specifically you mean by "intervene" OP.
Distraction and other techniques are promoted in "conscious bystander" training.

There have been outcries before about the suggestion that science could predict who will grow up to commit crimes and intervene in the formative years to prevent it

Well yes... education, mental health services, benefits... What's wrong with these kind of interventions? If we can help reduce the risk of crime by tackling poverty, racism, mental illness etc why do you think we should choose not to?

Hoardasurass · 12/03/2026 11:28

@Doone22 would you prefer that the cctv operators who are already monitoring the live footage just ignore the men and let them attack the women before doing anything about it or can you accept that they should be informing the police about these men before they rape, rob, assault or murder a woman?

Octavia64 · 12/03/2026 11:23

No, I don’t think this is step too far.

the article you linked talks about in person patrols looking to spot men hanging around where they shouldn’t be so they are stopped before somebody is raped or assaulted.

this is literally the point of police patrols - to stop illegal behaviour.

Relno · 12/03/2026 11:12

I don't see the problem with police intervening in potentially predatory behaviour this happens all the time and is not just a new thing. If you are doing something out of the ordinary, the police if they see it may ask about what you are doing, espcially if those behaviors are sometimes associated with crime, if you're skulking around out the back of houses, you may be asked what you are doing there etc.

Stopping behaviour that could escalate is a good thing. Checking in with the woman to check if shes okay, also a great thing.

Jess Phillips was also right, its not the women that are responsible for attacks and rapes on them.

JLou08 · 12/03/2026 11:06

Men are at risk from other men or their own actions when they are out drinking. It's not that men's safety doesn't matter, it's that (some) men's behaviour poses a risk and that is what needs to be managed.

INX · 12/03/2026 11:01

Jess the safeguarding minister specifically re-iterated on interview on the sofa afterwards that women can get as drunk as they want, they're not responsible....horrific choice of words

They're not responsible for someone assaulting them when they're drunk.

randomchap · 12/03/2026 10:59

Doone22 · 12/03/2026 10:55

Good Morning Britain witnesses police crackdown on predatory behaviour | ITV News for example and Jess the safeguarding minister specifically re-iterated on interview on the sofa afterwards that women can get as drunk as they want, they're not responsible....horrific choice of words

Well of course women aren't at fault if they are assaulted. No matter how drunk they are.

Doone22 · 12/03/2026 10:58

Carnation25 · 12/03/2026 10:32

I listened to a feature on the radio recently about the huge number of sexual assaults on women on trains/tube - easy access to lots of women and easy get away in crowds. Issues with poor/non operational cctv coverage which is a disgrace.
There was also a discussion about proactive steps to challenge men who appeared to be getting too close/following/exhibiting intimidating behaviour towards women but had not yet committed an offence. Thought it was a good thing rather than a step too far.

But don't you think a proper police presence and CCTV on public transport should be used to tackle criminal behaviour rather than getting AI or whatever to decide if someone might in the future be a criminal?

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Doone22 · 12/03/2026 10:57

Carnation25 · 12/03/2026 10:36

Radio 4 File on 4 Investigation on 24/2/16 'No CCTV: When train attacks go unrecorded'

I'm not complaining about CCTV on public transport being used to prosecute but this isn't to do with criminality - this is non criminal behaviour that "someone" has deemed inappropriate

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Doone22 · 12/03/2026 10:55

randomchap · 12/03/2026 07:55

Can you link to any of these news stories?

Good Morning Britain witnesses police crackdown on predatory behaviour | ITV News for example and Jess the safeguarding minister specifically re-iterated on interview on the sofa afterwards that women can get as drunk as they want, they're not responsible....horrific choice of words

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Carnation25 · 12/03/2026 10:36

Radio 4 File on 4 Investigation on 24/2/16 'No CCTV: When train attacks go unrecorded'

Carnation25 · 12/03/2026 10:32

I listened to a feature on the radio recently about the huge number of sexual assaults on women on trains/tube - easy access to lots of women and easy get away in crowds. Issues with poor/non operational cctv coverage which is a disgrace.
There was also a discussion about proactive steps to challenge men who appeared to be getting too close/following/exhibiting intimidating behaviour towards women but had not yet committed an offence. Thought it was a good thing rather than a step too far.

randomchap · 12/03/2026 07:55

Can you link to any of these news stories?

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