To feel guilted into being vegan??? AIBU?

Sounds like you did your research from meat lovers monthly 😂

i think becoming a vegan is going too far
but check for welfare of the meat you are buying
and eat less meat

You can come up with extreme individual cases but, as an average, most studies put the average carbon footprint of a vegan diet at between 25% to 50% of the average meat eater (the variance largely being by-country).

Why don’t you just eat whatever you want?

Not necessarily

Given time, I may consider accepting your apology x

I think the OP is looking for more information and a variety of perspectives to help shape that choice

I don’t eat any meat or dairy, I never have.

I don’t eat processed foods, I don’t eat anything with palm oil (or buy shampoo etc with it in), don’t eat soya. We eat seasonally, so our food miles aren’t significant. The only supplement I need is vitamin D, the same supplement a meat eater would need. I was an athelete, health is great.

Image from a GCSE textbook attached.

Its really basic stuff, and why the energy pyramid exists in nature.

Here's a simple video explanation for young children 😊

@NotAnotherScarf , you absolutely do not need to eat ultra processed foods if you eat a vegan diet, quite the reverse actually. Many people who consume meat eat highly processed foods and have poor nutrition. It is perfectly possible to eat healthily on both diets and equally possible to be unhealthy.

Bemused by the bitterness toward this fictional stereotype of “self righteous vegans” - as if SRV are the main problem in the world right now… 🙄

As a veggie (and aspiring vegan) of over 30 years I say YABU to let any behaviour or habits be dictated by guilt. I think better to reflect on your naivety about animal welfare in meat production and decide what your priorities are. Veganism is quite extreme. You can take incremental steps. As an interim step for example, you could decide that you will only eat meat with the highest welfare standards. And that’s fine. That’s a positive improvement.

It may take more to produce meat but it keeps people alive. I have yet to see a healthy looking vegan. And honey!! How fecking ridiculous. You may as well apologise for having the indecency to be alive.

I can't find a supporting theory for that anywhere. Please quote

soz about the misspelling!!!!

References please as mine come from an Indian vegeterian doctor.

But there would still be less grown than for those same billions of people eating meat.
To produce 1kg of animal protein it takes almost 6kg of soy or other grains, if humans ate the soy directly then it would save land. Also, onmivores already eat soy based foods such as soy sauce, Pot Noodles etc.

Nice try though.

And, if you successfully completed GCSE biology, you'd recall that eating crops directly is far more efficient (in terms of energy/calories) than eating animals that have been fed with crops, because the animals expend energy (even through passive things like breathing and growing). Between 70% and 97% (depending on the crop and animal) is "wasted" in conversion.

So, if everyone was vegan, we would need far, far fewer crops to be grown.

But if everyone was vegan then it would be grown for billions of people. Nice try though.

What a load of rubbish! I live in a country where agriculture is a way of life and there are meatworks in my area. At one stage they were one of the major employers in this region, generations of locals worked there. I knew many of them, they were friends and neighbours, and I can assure you that not one of them was anywhere near a sadist or psychopath, just ordinary people doing a job. I have no respect for people who demonstrate such ignorance.

I was vegetarian for 15 years because of my research into animal mistreatment. I didn't ever believe all are mistreated.

I started eating fish and eventually meat because my skin went awful and I couldn't work out why. 3 yrs later I learnt I didn't have enough fats in my diet 🙄

I have again stopped eating meat and fish. I switched from dairy to non dairy a while ago.

I am not vegan. I think veganism goes too far and I'd be worried I wouldn't know what to buy to eat esp good sources of protein - I mean, the easiest meals every are made from free range eggs, some veggies and non dairy cheese, which is actually OK. I also very much like popping baked beans in the bottom of a dish and covering them with packet stuffing with fried onion and a good layer of non dairy cheese. Baked for the period the stuffing needs cooking and it's a delicious alternative to a roast. And don't get me started on big mushrooms in place of meat in a curry or swede cooked like a ham...

I personally don't feel it changes how animals are treated/farmed, but it means I'm not contributing to mistreatment.

If you are concerned then act on your concern, noone is holding a gun to your head and noone is saying you can't have a burger etc if you fancy one either.

Can i ask how you have managed this?

Why not try some vegan switches for products you currently eat and see how it goes. It doesn’t need to be an immediate all or nothing. Look into dietary needs and recipes etc. I’ve been vegan for 17 years and have no health issues or vitamin deficiencies and I don’t particularly put much effort into stuff like that. I take a b12 supplement when I remember.

chickens and pigs seam to be the least welfare friendly and dairy depending on farm compared to beef and lamb mutton

You can see with humans that the best way to fatten them up isn’t to treat them to a happy healthy lifestyle - and the same is true of meat

profit margins are higher if you can get the meat ro
sizs quickly and cheaply

but are you most farmers care a lot for there stock there's no point taken a skin and bones cow to be sold they be worth nothing. if there fed properly and looked after then a higher price