To feel guilted into being vegan??? AIBU?

How dare I paint my flat

No i get that some humans have systems that need meat. It doesn't make much sense as our digestive tracts are so long (compare with cats') and i will look for the literature; until then I can't believe it's more than a fractional amount. Just as there are overweight people who aee genetically disposed to carrying more weight.. but the vast majority just eat too much.

Sorry but this isn’t true and even a cursory google would tell you so. I can sort of understand when people have differing opinions of eating animals because that’s a matter of your personal beliefs and ethics, but arguments about what is better for the environment wind me up because this is something that is very measurable and widely studied!

Transport is a fairly small part of food production’s carbon output and while there are some outliers (poultry isn’t anywhere near as damaging as beef, chocolate and coffee are much more resource intensive than other plant products) on the whole plant based foods are much less environmentally damaging than meat and dairy. A vegan diet is demonstrably much more environmentally friendly.

”All five environmental impacts were associated with the amount of animal-based food consumed. The impacts of vegans were a quarter of those of high meat eaters for greenhouse gas emissions, and land use, just 27% of the impacts for water pollution, 46% for water use and 34% for biodiversity.”

https://www.alumni.ox.ac.uk/article/less-meat-better-for-environment

Really interesting graph re: carbon footprint of different foods and what proportion of it is caused by transport:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/food-emissions-supply-chain

There’s also a really interesting book called “How Bad Are Bananas?” which goes into the carbon footprint of loads of different things (bananas, interestingly, despite being shipped halfway across the world are actually not that bad at all)

OP just take the plunge, you won't ever regret feeling morally superior to people who think it's funny to goad people who believe animals should be treated kindly. 😁

Not at all. I'm just a stickler for consistency and was just interested to see recent studies which identify the genes linked with vegetarianism and their metabolic properties.
That explains exactly why billions of people have managed to be vegan and others can't ... even if you offer them a billion pounds.

I'm amused by how staunchly preaching vegans look the other way at this developing area of knowledge and point blank refuse to address it.

Spent a life time responding to these types.
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There's more self righteous meat eaters on here than vegans.

Bank notes. House Paint -gotcha!

@Iris2020 easy for billions of humans throughout human history too.
I think your guilty conscience might be riled 😊

My house is painted with vegan paint. Want to keep trying to gotcha me? Put your mobile search into chat gpt and you'll get a different answer.

I suggest you sod off. I have NO time for people like you shouting "house paint"

Just shut up- eh.

It was easy for you. As people gain knowledge, it's becoming known why some people find veganism natural and easy and others are just constantly craving meat, unwell and plain unable to stick to
the diet.

The self-righteous pontificating will continue a few years until the science become more detailed and widely known but it nonetheless remains highly irritating.

At the risk of sounding self rightous 🙄 we humans treat animals abominably purely for the sake of our taste buds and cultural conditioning.
Once the Pandora's box is open it can be difficult to keep avoiding the truth.
Being vegan is really easy. Even 30 years ago when I made the change it was managable. I had some wobbles in the early years but always reminded myself that no egg is worth macerating a chick for, and no pork chop is worth throwing a piglet at a wall for or crating its mother. Dairy cows are amongst the most ill treated animals and the idea that their babies are taken from them so we can drink their milk is repugnant and morally bereft to me.
There are so many foods available that are animal free and you can have a rich and varied diet these days. I'm really happy to share some recipes and tips if you like.
Cue the antagonistic meat eaters 5...4..3...2..1

This ^ These animals are bred for consumption. If there wasn't a market for them, they probably wouldnt have been alive at all. Your diet, your choice.

OP the ability to follow a vegan diet is genetic. Studies are starting to prove it but it's always been completely obvious.
More people cm manage a vegetarian diet but still not all.

Honestly don't let anyone guilt you into it. Life is hard enough as it is.

This is what your quick google search comes up with! But fair play if you have a vegan mobile they are bloody expensive and if you don’t use uk money , nor watch tv then you have no need to worry and yes in your case meat is indeed murder oh and if you don’t use biodegradable items in your home then also fair play to you oh and also some house paint and plaster contains animal derivatives too

Toast?

Red tractor have awful welfare standards. A quick Google search would confirm this.

You're wrong about phones like I said before. A quick Google search will confirm that. I don't have a TV. Smart or other

I'm in Scotland. There are some paper notes here. Your point?

Over 95% of dairy farms in the UK are Red Tractor certified. Euthanasia of calves is disallowed and calves must be kept with their mother for at least five weeks before they are weaned, they aren’t removed or killed at birth.

Actually no that doesn’t help, uk polymer bank notes contain trace amounts of tallow in its early production process and electonics and smart TVs etc contain animal cholesterol in it’s production, yes there are vegan options available but not easily and they are expensive, a lot of biodegradable items we use in our homes for various things contain animal proteins due to how they breakdown but your “hth” comment isn’t really helpful

It's your choice if you want to be a meat eater, vegetarian or vegan.

I am a meat eater, although we do eat some vegetarian meals per week too.

haha in my whole 40 years as veggie and several of those vegan nobody has described me as grey. Weirdly every person who used to be veggie and now eats meat uses that they were ‘grey’ ‘pale’ and exhausted. Makes me wonder what the fuck they were eating?

Surely not. You should be dreaming about rotisserie chicken and then going to devour it in the car park because your hubby said you looked grey

Also- some of these replies are wild.
I have been vegan for many years- I had 3 healthy term babies and bf them all. I have no health problems- my bloods are perfect, I have thick hair, I’m a healthy weight and I strength train 4 times a week.
i don’t use any UPF and the only vitamin I take is b12

I don't force my view onto others either. My brother eats meat. I've never told him to go vegan

Not once