This is the height of lazy childcare and I’m so sick of it

This thread is highly disturbing. I can’t believe that people are defending leaving children sitting in waste. 5 or 10 minutes to deal with something and get to a safe place to change a soiled diaper is acceptable. If a caregiver can’t change nappies on demand in a given situation and children need to simply wait indefinitely, the caregiver should not be taking the children into that situation.

I did, she wouldn't let me! When I held baby at end and her nappy was full (wet), she said she was going in 5. I said, "Well change her before you go", and she wouldn't, so made my excuses for her to leave.

DDs's childminder used to get together with other CMs every day, the kids had an absolute whale of a time and had excellent care. I never considered nurseries as the local ones weren't great anyway, and the next best thing for me from DDs being at home with me was being in a home setting with an experienced childcare provider. And as she was at the end of the street, the house was even rather similar, though much cleaner and more organised than ours! You hear and see some awful practices at nurseries and I wouldn't say that all nurseries are terrible because of it.

I often think one of the benefits of childminders is that they are out in the community rather than behind closed doors like nurseries - but that only works if members of the community are prepared to act when they have a concern about a child's welfare.

Children's welfare is everyone's business, and particularly as a professional you shouldn't just ignore welfare concerns.
Once years ago I reported a childminder who ran a toddler group and it was taken seriously - I don't know exactly what Ofsted did but they resolved the issue.

I also know of a childminder who was reported by a member of the public for shouting at a child at a softplay and it triggered a full inspection.

I'm not sure where the myth has come from that Ofsted don't act on complaints or don't deal with things that happen in public places, but it's not true at all.

I'm so glad I opened this thread while eating chocolate. 😂

Seriously though, how rank and neglectful. Those poor kids.

Eurgh yeah I remember one mum who had a toddler like this at a baby/toddler group. The nappy was always sagging down and just stunk the room out. I always made a point of checking DS’s and saying something like “oh I thought you needed a nappy change but it’s ok!”.

This is somehow worse because they’re paid to care for these children and they’re failing to do so. I’d actually be inclined to find out their names to report to OFSTED.

Have you tried to raise a concern and been told Ofsted don't deal with that or are you guessing?

I definitely understand 😆 I'm guessing you've never dealt with them either making a welfare complaint or being inspected?

This is just laziness.

Yours are related/same family though?
You can’t have a 3yr old in room watching you clean another 3 year old. If anything happens to charge then cm is on hook. I know they can ask someone to keep watch but ultimately she’s responsible for them.
I personally wouldn’t have used a cm after seeing some when I was mum at groups.

I vowed never to use a childminders after the ones I witnessed at the children centre I used to go to.

A baby of a minder left alone in the soft play when another minders kid (around 3/4) kicked the baby in the head! They were too busy nattering over a coffee and bitching about the parents to notice.

At the end of the group, she’d shove all the kids in high chairs and pass around cold chicken nuggets.

Of course there will be good ones but I’m not taking the risk.

I think I’d have told her directly her baby needed changed, did she want to do it or would I. I couldn’t sit with tea and cake while a baby was left sitting in their own mess.

YANBU.

I remember something similar at a small soft play when my DD was a toddler. Dad of another toddler rocked up with nothing I.e no nappy bag, change of clothes etc. His son had obviously done a poo within minutes of arriving and the smell was awful. He just carried on as if nothing was amiss. Was playing with son at some points and the smell was clearly coming from his child but he didn’t care. The loos for men had a changing table and wipes and if I had forgotten or ran out of nappies would have just asked someone for one, but not him!

I wondered if he ever even changed nappies.

Someone else eventually asked a staff member to say something and the dad then left but I saw him just put the child in the car. He could have just changed his toddler!

You clearly don't understand what Ofsted do or what their role is.
They aren't travelling playgroups catching childminders out, they would speak to the provider about the complaint and ask them to address it.

Yes, they would be interested in children left uncomfortable for hours in soiled nappies? That's a basic welfare issue.
They're not social services, they're not just dealing with child abuse! Welfare is exactly what they deal with.

Ofsted don't tour playgroups, they call and visit providers in their settings.

I can understand it being smelly and grim but not enough for an ofsted complaint.
Some parents change nappies immediately some are more relaxed (perhaps cost issues, multiple children or generally more relaxed - see debates in here re towel and bedding changing or showering). A child minder has multiple factors to consider eg if she did leave room to change A’s dirty bum and relies on her friend keeping eye and B is injured or runs out of hall B’s mum will rightly say why did you leave B unattended, A’s bum wasn’t an emergency could have waited 30 mins until back home.

I don’t think it necessarily a childminder thing, our childminder treated ours like she does her own, was always super interactive in play, nurturing and kind.
I think it’s a lazy adult thing, I used to take mine to baby groups and there were toddlers there that weren’t checked for the two hours despite it being obvious someone had poo’d (even when obviously checking ours it didn’t make others check theirs)
I was always sat on the floor near mine whilst playing so he didn’t accidentally hurt anyone that was smaller, was sharing the toys and helping him on some of the play equipment. The norm was for the adults to sit in the corner and essentially only get involved if someone was actively crying.

FFS ofsted aren’t going to be interested in a child being left in a nappy for 1-2hours by a parent/childminder.

i agree it’s absolutely vile and I really feel for the kids so I’m not for a minute saying it’s acceptable. If my dc ever went to a childminder and were treated like this I wouldn’t be happy at all.

however judging from the OP and also the other responses this sadly seems to be a common issue. Do you really think Ofsted has the funding or inclination to tour all the individual playgroups around the UK and inspect nappies?

unfortunately I’m sure they’re overwhelmed with much bigger issues. To suggest the OP is failing in her duties by not being OFSTED registered is a joke

I worked in nurseries and a few have that same issue

Yes. It's what put me off using childminders.