To be fed up that it seems to be expected that female celebs dress risqué while men dont

I broadly agree with the fact that male/female red carpet style is a frustrating sign of inequality but I'm finding the OP a bit disingenuous, lacking nuance and misogynist in terms of aiming her criticism at the female celebrities.

Mick Jagger is a funny choice of counter-example. The man who went on stage dressed like this? Nothing left to the imagination really. Google mick jagger shirtless stage and it seems he spent most of his stage time in his youth half-naked.

And male celebrities are increasingly also showing skin on red carpets. Here's Shawn Mendes wearing fewer clothes than his girlfriend (at the time? idk) Camila Cabello.

And here's a whole article on men wearing sheer shirts on red carpets. I believe Manu Rios once wore an entire sheer tux. Alexander Skarsgard is quite fond of revealing skin too. https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/pictures/celebrity-men-who-rocked-sheer-shirts-on-the-red-carpet/

I'm also fairly sure I could find you hundreds of examples of female celebrities wearing non-revealing dresses on red carpets. Look up Teyana Taylor and Audrey Nuna at the Baftas for starters. But they don't tend to grab the headlines the following day and you're not talking about them

Despite that, yes, by and large female fashion tends to be more exposing than male fashion. Where you're being disingenuous is ascribing this solely to the male gaze and not acknowledging the role of the female gaze. Women are bigger consumers of celebrity and fashion culture than straight men, and female celebrities looking gaudy and eye-catching do so to appeal to female consumers as much as (if not more than) horny men.

And male celebrities also pander to the female gaze, or what's conventionally deemed to be what straight women want. The received wisdom is that women are "less visual" and would be actively turned off by a man going near-naked on the red carpet - but they swoon over a man who looks smart and suave in a tux. Male celebrities in suits are giving the consumer what they want just as much as female celebrities in skimpy dresses.

Personally I'm not convinced that women are inherently less visual, I think there's an element of social conditioning - or at least I very much appreciate a nice male body and would be very happy to see more of them on red carpets. But that's not mainstream opinion yet.

They do it to look attractive to men (and draw attention to themselves as they are celebs). Gay men also dress like that in places like Soho. Most women aren't attracted to the equivalent male look, so straight men tend not to dress that way.

The reason we look down on it is probably because our society holds straight maleness as worthy of most respect.

Yeah agree.

I am not sure when exactly female singers started performing in sparkly swimsuits but im over it

Nicolas cage and mick jagger are such random examples of men i love it😂

I was watching a movie the other day and the lead female character, PhD strong feminist type etc was wearing clothes that just had her cleavage on display throughout! I mean look we are in the artic and the men are all in snow suits but here I am in a tank top! Lol I gave up watching it. Couldn't understand how it was a role model for young women/girls? No matter if you have a PhD you still can't wear weather appropriate attire in a movie! Yes I know its fiction but seriously every female character had their cleavage on display while the men are all covered up. Even when you read a book and then they make a movie of it! In my head the female characters are usually wearing weather appropriate clothes, but when they make the movie they usually have scantily dressed women while the men are wearing fully protective gear!
Yes women can wear what they want but to pretend their is no pressure or cultural expectations of make up and skirts is nonsense. Look at any advert/movie/office! Just look on mumsnet about what shall I wear and discussions on make up etc
Personally think social media has made it so much worse. Even young boys are now hooked on wanting to look a certain way because that's all they see online, in movies etc it's not showing healthy people it's showing you need to look a certain way.

You mean where we hear 'who are you wearing' I say to tv when I hear it 'the local librarian* they taste nice with a decent Chianti''

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The women are making a choice to dress like that because they're seeking male attention.
Men do prance around in butt cheek cut offs, tight pants or trousers at gay events. They to are seeking male attention.
I'm sure some women are attracted to that but most aren't. Women often like the way men look dressed in suits, or relaxed jeans and t-shirts. I have no interest in seeing butt cheeks, lacy covered balls, ect.

I think a male celebrity in a "sexy" outfit (let's say, PVC chaps and nothing else) would likely be mocked and assumed to be gay. Given that, you could argue that celebrity women have more choice about what to wear, because they can choose an elegant outfit or a sexy/fetish one.

Aren't these clothes worn for free as the designers ask the celebs to wear them?
Or am I thinking of another celeb event?

I agree. Decades ago I had an argument with a friend about Madonna always emphasising the sexy image, my friend was saying she's empowering herself, and I replied that if sex is such a fundamental part of her image and sense of herself, then who is she going to be when she's 60? (I never dreamt she would end up like a character from the movie Brazil)

And in a far less extreme sense, I always notice on chat shows, panel shows etc, how the men are fully covered up in comfortable clothes and most women are exposing far more flesh. Why?

Can you imagine a TV chat show with all the women in loose trousers, shirts and jackets, and all the men in vest tops and tight jeans or shorts? It's unthinkable.

I love it when you have someone like Julia Roberts on a chat show, looking elegant and chic, not try-hard sexy. Or Emma Thompson just being herself.

Someone mentioned Wolf Alice, and I was actually disappointed when I saw the singer on the Brits - I had liked what I heard on the radio, and expected her to be more edgy and punk, not sex kitten.

Exactly. It's an awful example to set for the younger generation. Where are the great leaps forward that we have supposedly made in sexism and equality? Nowhere.

Totally agree.

That was Bianca Censori. I am not sure she wasn't coerced by her partner. I agree, it's not female empowerment, it's sexism and it's setting an awful example for the younger generation.
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It is 100% a woman's choice how she dresses. Nobody expects it and even if they did, its still 100% a woman's choice.

I hate it. Women have fought for so long for equality and now it seems we're going backwards with women flaunting their bodies for attention. It feels like one step forward, two steps back but it's actually women who are driving this regression rather than men.

Makes me mad all these women going on about “her choice”. I’ll believe it’s a women’s choice when I see men prancing about in butt cheek cut offs. Women dress like this because after a century of “liberation” they are still judged first and foremost on how they look TO MEN and all you “dress choices” just follow along bleating like sheep.

A couple of years ago, some celeb was naked on the red carpet. The dress was totally sheer. Her escort was next to her in his black tie etc.

I'm sick of the sexism.

Yep! Bloody depressing and it's getting worse.

Of course they’re not pressurised. That’s not how power works. It’s just so culturally embedded that women will be half naked. Female artists know that’s the deal in the industry and so they maximise their assets to get ahead in their career. It’s still not right.

I don’t think they are pressurised to dress like that. I think they want to. The women celebs that do this generally have amazing bodies and when they wear revealing clothes they get attention which helps them stay in the public eye. Revealing clothing can look very tacky. It’s not empowering. That’s rubbish.

You are not being unreasonable. Sex sells and its patriarchal power that largely owns the means of production and distribution. They have to prove they have sex appeal to even get a foot in the door let alone a contract. Some like Madonna are so entrenched they wouldn’t be able to break out now if they tried.

As talented as he is, that’s why I’m annoyed every time I see Lewis Capaldi. If he was a woman he would’ve been laughed out of the room no sooner had he picked up the guitar. Even Susan Boyle was expected to scrub up. But ol’ Lewis can just rock up on stage like some overweight gamer with pot noodle down the t shirt he slept in and that’s fine and dandy because he sings like an angel. Why doesn’t that work for the female artists then? Sexism that’s why.

A friend of mine used to comment on this line of thinking when Burlesque was quite in, once again getting naked was being touted as beneficial and empowering and really feminist. Something like "quick let me take these freedom limiting, empowerment blocking clothes off"

Annoys me no end that as a woman, apparently being "empowered" means wear as little as possible 🙄

And the women who offer it as their reason for doing so are absolutely full of BS. You want the attention, just be honest.

Why do men never have to be half naked to be "empowered"?!

Let's all ignore 95% of her body is plastic

Yes, indeed. But it's true - dresses like a maiden aunt and refuses to wear make-up. (IRL, not in her film roles, obvs.)