To think vapes need consigning to the history books?

Yes exactly, to give up smoking. Hence being sold only at chemists in plain colours and no flavours is all that is necessary. No need for anything else because that’s when it attracts people who have never smoked. Seems like you’re missing the point deliberately.

My DH wasnt regularly throwing his mobility scooter in the bin either but he wasnt allowed to keep it indoors. And they wernt and still arent lithium batteries either They were/are lead acid.
If i was to link the threads about housing associations and mobility scooters the hypocrisy would be stark.

it could be a plug, an extension lead, anything you have in a normal shop
people said electric cars should be banned when somewhere local to me set on fire. It was nothing to do with electric cars
even if you ban vape shops, are you banning all batteries?

It is vape shops that should be closed, not vapes never be on sale anyway. A licence, people having the opportunity to object to the money laundering fronts that many are.

the fire has caused so much damage in glasgow, businesses lost , station closed and travel chaos, hotel closed and guests all needing alternative accommodation- and an iconic building lost , all vape shops should be closed immediately

Not really. I think vapings fine, but it’s obviously better for your health than cigarettes and there’s loads of evidence it’s a really good way of stopping smoking.

What exactly do you mean? Isn’t the point that the only good reason for vaping is to give up smoking?

Perhaps the very reason they work so well is they scratch an itch that a flavourless black unappealing medical aide wouldn’t?

I think the point is that if they were flavourless and plain black and only sold in chemists, they’d be far less appealing to young people and therefore more likely to only be bought as an aid to stopping smoking.

I ❤️ vapes

Possibly, we don't know the long term effects yet.

I’m not a vape fangirl, I’m a fan of harm reduction and the fact NOTHING but a vape got me to quit smoking
the NHS, public health England, cancer research etc all say it is safer than smoking
I’ll add a caveat that is if you aren’t using dodgy ones and you’re using a proper e cig and liquid or a genuine ready to go one

if I didn’t vape I would smoke so I’m better off sticking with my vape. My doctor, dentist and haematology consultant are all incredibly happy that I don’t smoke

nobody bothers about how long you use patches or gum for, it’s just uproar about vapes

Thinking about it, I actually know more people that took up vaping from nothing, than people who used them to quiet smoking. Awful

But do they then stop vaping?

I’m pleased they seem to have actually stopped masses of people smoking, it’s the first replacement that has had such wide success.

I know many people who attempted to quit with patches, gum, hypnotherapy, even those fake cigarette things you could get but nothing worked until vaping came along, none of them returned to smoking either. I also know in the UK we have reduced smoking levels so much it isn’t even the leading cause of cancer anymore which is also great.

What I don’t appreciate is people who never even smoked in the first place vaping, teenagers in particular. I also hate the way it smells, I’d rather it be scent free than stink like chemical blueberries.

I can see why teens do though - the vape displays and colourful shops plus the normal rebellion and peer pressure is quite a combination. Raspberry ice in your pretty ombre vape. I think we are failing this current generation of teens in every way possible.

And there is no evidence that vaping is any safer than cigarettes.

This is not true.

A similar thing. Some of those nitrous oxide canisters we find on litter picks were designed for hippy crack users. Black Cobra, plus ones with imagery similar to Grand Theft Auto

I know quite a few vapers and I can assure you every single one is very environmentally friendly and dispose of their vapes in an appropriate manner.

Teens will always try smoking without the option of vapes, it's always been that way. It's seen as cool and forbidden.

Gee thanks. I can assure you I'm not at all chavvy but whatever ... some people have made up their minds and that's it.

But would they aid stopping smoking if they were flavourless and plain black? If your discomfort about being around vaping saves someone’s life does it really matter that you don’t like it?

Apart from the health risks, the targeting of children and the litter they look like the users are sucking on a dummy.

There is a vape shop in my very small town and the people I see going in and out are pretty much universally chav like.

It is just near a bench and where I sometimes sit for a rest and whilst there I have a competition with myself to spot who will be going into the vape shop and really it isn’t tricky.

I think they should only be sold in chemists in plain black and non flavoured as aids to stopping smoking.

I sincerely doubt that. Who are the main smokers now? I would guess young adults.