To think vapes need consigning to the history books?

This. My dad lives in Glasgow and the story that’s going round there is that they were selling cheap fake vapes as a front for money laundering. So the vapes were untested and a fire hazard

Could obviously be completely false but something about this whole thing seems strange.

I wouldnt make any judgement on former smokers using them, instead of cigarettes (and i think it's not necessarily possible to give a timescale eg you should only use them for x months)
But i do judge manufacturers who have veered away from the original purpose of them (to assist people giving up smoking) to a stand-alone, addictive product deliberately aimed at a young audience, who have never - and potentially never would have- started smoking in the first place. The colours, the flavours, the cost , the availability etc all mean they are attractive and accesible to kids/teens .

I didn't say they were perfectly safe but your statement that they are no safer than cigarrettes is simply not true.

These threads always go the same way. People seem incapable of giving a balanced view without resorting to personal, nasty comments - they look pathetic, they look chavvy and the personal favourite off the bingo card…they look like they’re sucking a dummy. Yawn.

There are far far worse things people could be doing. They are helping people stop smoking and the overwhelming evidence suggests they are much safer than smoking. They have been around since the early 2000s so while there are no very long term studies, they aren’t exactly new either.

If you don’t like it, fine. I wouldn’t want to inhale someone else’s cloud of cherry fizz either. But there are benefits whether you like it or not and I don’t understand the need to be so hysterical and generally unpleasant about the choices of others.

If it were up to me, I'd have only made them available through pharmacies as a stopping smoking product like nicotine patches.

Also a bit confused by this point re schizophrenia @KitTea3 . If nicotine has positive effects on the brain, why would the majority of schizophrenics be smokers? Or do you mean the risk is higher when they give up?!

I look at people with them and think they look pathetic.
If they were just used for a short period of time to get people off cigarettes, that would be fine, but they aren’t. Teens have latched on to it as the new ‘cool’ thing. Even grown adults who never even smoked take it up as a ‘cool’ habit.

Give it another 5-10 years and we will start seeing the long term effects of them on the body.

Some of the replies on here are massively OTT.

Yes the landfill factor is really bad, and it’s probably not great that so many teens are vaping (much less damaging than the Silk Cut we used to smoke at the end of the sports field at school though!)

I don’t like standing behind a cloud of cherry cola flavoured smoke either - but there are lots of far worse things people do that I don’t like. So I just don’t feel the need to get hysterical about it…

Which is pretty much the same as a coffee addiction. The nicotine isn’t the issue, it’s the tar and all the other stuff in cigarettes. I am also slowly reducing my nicotine strength as I mix my own liquid

I’ve also never been in a vape shop. I order online.

I vape because I can’t afford to smoke any more. Never used disposables. I walk past smokers and love the smell. I have had the odd ciggie since thinking what a treat but the taste is horrible to me now. I like the different flavours and the ease of use. Easy to get 18mg for £1. 20 10ml bottles last me around 2-3 months and I consider my vaping as fairly heavy usage. When I’m in public I act the same way as I did when I smoked, I stay away from people and if someone does pass close I don’t do it or if unexpected I hold it in and let it out when they’ve passed. I used to cross the road if I had a lit ciggie and people with small kids or pushing a pram were going to cross my path. I have CPTSD. I’ll take my vice happily as while it’s obviously going to be revealed to be damaging, it’s only me I’m hurting.

But she's quit smoking, which is the main thing.

They don't always have higher levels of nicotine. You can buy different levels of vape liquid, from 0mg of nicotine upwards, so how can you know what strength of nicotine they're vaping?

Everything I've read online says it's safer than smoking. I agree we don't know the long term effects yet, but we do know the ingredients of eliquid and there is no tar, carbon monoxide and the many many other chemicals that are added in cigarettes.

I'm not tripping over myself contradicting myself at all, nor are others. Try reading the facts before you make claims you know nothing about.

You haven't quit your nicotine addiction, though.

But why should we smoke a real cigarette, when we can vape instead, which isn't as bad for us as smoking? What you said is ridiculous! You're calling people cowards for not smoking??

I agree with this.

I’m not talking about the efficacy of attracting people away from smoking. I’m talking about NOT attracting people who never smoked in the first place. I can’t explain it any more clearly so if you don’t get it then you can’t be helped. I won’t be engaging further.

I understand your point I just don’t agree that the flavour and aesthetic isn’t part of the products success in attracting smokers away from tobacco. I’m happy for you to think a flavourless black “medical” version of vaping would be equally effective, I just don’t think it’s true.

A fridge caused the Grenfell Fire, how are you planning to store your food ?

Yes, they're ridiculous. People look like giant babies walking around sucking on them.

I work at a university and they don't seem very popular. Smoking on the other hand is everywhere. I am astounded at how many young people are smoking (and annoyed I have to walk through it!)

The point is that the colours and flavours are attractive to people who have never smoked. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I find them pathetic 😂 I don’t know why but when I see grown ups with them, I think- mate just go and have a proper cigarette . It’s like they’re so so addicted and can’t put them down. At least with a real cigarette they’re owning it !

Or I disagree? Look if you’re dieting do you find it easier if you make the reduced calorie food nice and able to be eaten without comment on your weight loss ambitions or would you find eating something more mundane and medical? It doesn’t really matter that you can’t see vapes as they are work. The evidence is there.