To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

I would like meat to be labelled as Halal or not.

People might assume I would be avoiding Halal meat for racist reasons but it’s not that. I choose meat labelled as free range & pay extra for reasons connected to animal cruelty, nothing to do with race or religion.

I understand some will see that as hypocritical seeing as I’m choosing to eat meat when I could be vegetarian but that’s my stance 🤷🏼‍♀️

Because the same types who are making this fuss (most prominent right wing commentators) are the same ones who cry anti-Semitism anytime they don’t like what’s being said.

I know many people who have an issue with halal but they really couldn’t care less about animal welfare. In fact they have mocked me for being vegan, told me I’m mad for caring about animals, buy cheap meat, cheap eggs, laughed at videos watching how foie gras is produced etc.

I’ve been in slaughterhouses and a lot of animals don’t get stunned before being killed because it’s such as rushed, chaotic and stressful environment. And unfortunately some of the staff really don’t care and some are even are cruel.
Not stunning isn’t just an issue with halal meat. Also something like 80% of halal meat is stunned now in the UK.

As a vegan, I hate this industry as a whole, but I don’t believe this is an issue about animal welfare, it’s a hatred of Muslims unfortunately and I’ve no time for that.

How do you know that?

While I don’t doubt that Islamophobia is behind some of this, there could also be more of a focus on halal from some because it’s more widespread than kosher. The Muslim population in the UK is a lot bigger than the Jewish population, so more of a financial incentive for businesses to use halal meat than kosher.

There isn’t a debate in real life as people automatically get labelled racist for saying they don’t eat halal or kosher for ethical reasons.
im veggie, my family are not, we don’t eat anywhere that serves either.

I thought this was going to be about the Sikh man I’ve seen on twitter whose restaurant had eggs thrown at it. He’s since had people travelling to visit him specifically.

Well, quite. The same people who make a fuss about halal would lose their heads if a fuss was made about kosher slaughter.

I haven’t noticed this debate IRL or much online, but I don’t doubt that a lot of the noise is down to racism.

On the other hand, some people are concerned about animal welfare, and wish to know how the animals have been treated.

I don’t know if there are religious concerns, from people who are not Muslim, but do have another religion?

The answer seems to be clear labelling, surely.

It sounds insane and horrible. As far as I have noticed, there isn't a 'halal debate' at all in the real world. I'd noticed some threads on MN, but what you say in your OP makes me realise that those threads are a spillover from an obsession on social media.

It seems reasonable to assume that this 'debate' is just a proxy for Islamophobia, and also that it hasn't risen organically but has been seeded by racists and Islamophobes.

It is shocking.

People seem far more outraged about halal than kosher food. Funny that...

This spud bros thing is hilarious. I think they’re arseholes because they charged £15 for a potato at Silverstone, but the people complaining that a potato is halal are hysterical.

We had standard practices to reduce suffering during slaughter. They probably weren’t adequate. They needed to be increased, not reduced. That’s my concern. If it can be demonstrated that they haven’t lost best practice people would be accepting, I think.

Do people claim to be able to taste the difference? There are places I won’t eat from because I dislike the flavour, and they seem to be halal.

Whilst I agree (I'm veggie), this debate is predominantly driven by racism. Most the people kicking up a fuss don't give a toss about animal welfare.

You're being unreasonable to say that there isn't a debate. It's absolutely possible to reasonably question whether halal and kosher slaughtering methods cause unnecessary suffering.

I haven’t noticed this . Almost every take away where I’m from has that they serve halal meat on the menu and no one seems to care . I mean anyone who is eating meat full stop shouldn’t kid themselves by thinking the animals are looked after well or killed humanely regardless of whether the meat is halal or not .

As a veggie atheist this doesn’t affect me directly but I don’t understand why they can’t just label all the meat? They should know where it comes from anyway (and if not that’s a bigger problem!) and at least people will have all the information and choose to buy it or not.

Nobody should be harassing retail staff or leaving false reviews, that goes without saying.