To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

Same, I try to be mindful about what I buy and so buy free range whenever I can, with both meat and eggs.

It’s not wider because you get called a racist for saying it

Agree that this is just another proxy for Islamophobia. If people really cared about animal welfare, then the focus would be much wider.

Agree.

Quite.

I avoid both, for welfare reasons. I also buy free range eggs and look for higher welfare meat in general. I’m not eschewing battery eggs for racist reasons, any more than I’m avoiding halal and kosher for racist reasons.

Its simply because halal meat is becoming more mainstream, and sold in non-muslim venues as wel,, whereas kosher meat is hard/ impossible to get outside of the very small number of Jewish communities and businesses in the UK (Jews are just half a percent of the population).

So, no its not that funny.

And you might want to spend some time looking into the appalling racism Jews are facing in this country, including being subject to terrorist murders and planned mass murders, for being Jewish - before you write posts suggesting Jews aren't subject to racism. Jewish burial grounds have been being desecrated in the UK for decades. Despite being a tiny population, the proportion of hate crimes against Jews is highest of any minority group in the UK when you put that in the context of the proportion of the population they are in the UK.

This thread is exactly why there isn’t a real life debate about it because people are being labelled as racist and a “type” For actively choosing to avoid halal and kosher.

Yes, agree entirely.

I've seen two business in the mainstream press, that due to selling non halal meat, are being attacked and have protesters outside etc.

People are losing sight that people have different opinions. No one is forcing them to eat there.

I wouldn’t buy kosher meat either if it was labelled as such.

It’s ridiculous, all this because they offered some dates and water to break fast

It’s the same types

Bothered about Halal, not bothered about Kosher, Battery Eggs, the appalling way lots of farmed meat is reared

Bothered about VAWG when it’s a Muslim/Brown perpetrator, not bothered when it’s a White one

It’s because they are Racist.

Yes, this absolutely is what gives the game away that preoccupation with halal slaughter is about racism and Islamophobia, not animals. The whole 'meat landscape' in our supermarkets relies on keeping costs down, minimising animal welfare and turning a blind eye to vile practices in slaughterhouses.
Animal welfare at slaughter would be vastly more improved just by ensuring that the spirit and the letter of welfare legislation is adhered to. But I don't doubt that the regulatory regime is underfunded and happy to turn two blind eyes to their mates in the industry, just as regulators in other sectors (the water industry, etc) have done.

If you are worried about animal welfare, act conscientiously in an evidence-based way, rather than posturing about religious slaughter online. If you can afford it, buy more expensive high-welfare meat; if you can't, then just buy less meat (better for you) or none.

I don’t think it’s true at all that people who eat meat don’t care about the welfare of animal husbandry and slaughter. I eat meat and care about how the animals are treated. I want its suffering minimised before it dies. I don’t accept that as it will die anyway, we shouldn’t care how it suffers before hand.

Some will see that as hypocritical. I understand that. That’s ok. It’s a view I came to decades ago after a few years of being vegetarian and coming back to eating meat and I’m happy with my stance.

I mean the GB News, reform voting types. The same types who bend over backwards to defend Trump et al and label any criticism of Israel as anti semitism while saying the most horrendous things about Muslims and their religious practices.

What do you mean by ‘types’?

And how do you know they’re the same?

In my RL experience people have a range of views, not one homogenous grab-bag of accepted opinions they swallow whole, unthinkingly. I do see that kind of approach online, it seems to be associated with identifying with left-wing progressive views, and is seen more in younger people, from what I can see.

I think it’s real tbh. He’s had videos with the police in too. I think too many things to be fake.

I don’t eat meat but my family do. So we don’t eat anywhere that serves either.

Kosher is crueller than halal though. Kosher explicitly bans the stunning of animals, while halal allows it. If you’re eating meat I don’t see how you can want to avoid halal when its all just as bad.

I saw those posts and I first wondered if it was fake.

food - another thing to argue about.

I grew up in a Jewish area and there were kosher butchers and restaurants but they were independent ones you could avoid. Halal is a bigger issue to avoid as it is more widespread and more mainstream, with places like five guys, subway, Pizza Hut having halal shops.