To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

It matters to me because I am not a Muslim so I don’t see why I should be eating meat as a default slaughtered to religious standards. I would expect to eat halal as a default if I visited a Muslim country, not in the Uk. I am sure you think that makes me a racist, but why should non Muslims not have this choice?

And there what is?

From reading you previous posts now, you are extraordinarily prejudiced to have interpreted my post the way you did.

My position is that there should not be an exemption from animal welfare laws for any religion.

My position is also that no person should be subject to racism. Pretending Jews do not suffer prejudice or racism, but that Muslims do, against all evidence that they suffer more hate crimes, is racism. Its racism against Jews. Objecting to me pointing this out, is also a manifestation of racism against Jews.

Its pretty obvious to anyone who wants to think about it calmly, rather than through a prejudice based through a ' you like Jews more than Muslims lens' that people who object to something, will object to something they have noticed. The animal welfare law exemption to halal meat was given for religious reasons but halal meat is now served outside of religious communities and in mainstream establishments, which means that people have noticed it. And may find themselves eating meat they did not know is halal. If Jews had the population of Muslims and Muslims had the population of Jews, so that the situation was reversed, there is everyone reason to think the objections would be to kosher.

Doesn't really matter what you think other people should think or do. They should be provided with the information, don't you agree?

Not really. Your average restaurant won't be buying expensive meat that has been raised with high welfare standards either.

Unless you are deliberately making a point to seek out meat that has been raised with high welfare standards, and only eating at establishments which explicitly make that a feature of their offer, then you clearly don't give a shit about animal welfare. And the faux concern about halal meat is just a proxy for Islamophobia.

There's no place for such horrific cruelty for religious purposes.
It needs banning

Meat should be labelled if it’s Halal or Kosher so people can make an informed decision. All animals should be slaughtered with minimal suffering as possible and it’s not racist to expect animal welfare to be put before religious ideology.

I don't eat a lot of meat. But I would rather not eat halal meat.
Wny should we have this thrust upon us.

No she was given the choice as it was deemed important enough to mention it was halal, while assumed the rest of us would not care either way.

If you are not a Muslim, what difference does it make?

Serious question.

What debate?

I would not eat kosher, but that isn’t what the debate is about. It’s about being given the choice as a non Muslim.

Exactly. If animal welfare was actually the issue people may as well just protest against all take aways.

The majority of people on this thread are totally unreasonable. Just because someone eats meat doesn't mean they shouldn't be given a choice. Flip your argument the other way. Should halal eating observers be sorted to eat non halal meat just because it is meat?
Should people be forced to eat GM food unknowingly because it's food?

Well, no, they werent given a choice. It was halal either way

Takeaway was just an example. I don’t eat takeaways. Let me take another example.

I recently went to an Indian restaurant in Canary Wharf with colleagues. My Muslim colleague went to order the veggie version of the chicken curry the rest of us had ordered. The waitress then told her the chicken was halal and so she then ordered the chicken curry too. She was given a choice and we were not. This was not a cheap take away. Better example for you?

No, I won’t. I don’t want to eat halal or kosher meat.

Ah yes, because it’s a takeover and we’re all days away from sharia law.

Cheap slaughter is cheap slaughter, and cruel no matter what. The only reason people have an issue is because it’s a Muslim practice.

It’s not about whether you are eating it, or not, it’s about whether the practice itself is cruel. If you care about animal welfare you will condemn both, rather than ignore one because you don’t see it very much.

But why does that matter?

If you're eating meat from your local takeaway, then regardless of whether it's halal or not, it's extremely likely to be relatively cheap meat which has been produced with very poor standards of animal welfare, so if animal welfare was actually your concern, then surely you wouldn't eat it anyway? So what's the issue?

This has been explained so many times. If you want to eat kosher, you have to actively seek it out. If you go to your local take away, chances are it will be halal and you do not have the choice.

You explicitly mention halal slaughter, which allows the animals to be stunned, but not kosher, which doesn’t. Why?

That makes no sense.

Why would you get called racist for making a much wider argument about animal welfare standards? What does factory farming have to do with race?

You obviously failed to understand my point. What I was saying is that, if people were actually motivated by animal welfare concerns and not just using these as a proxy for Islamophobia, then they would not be arguing against halal meat, they would be arguing against all meat which didn't meet the very highest standards of animal welfare. And they would be much less worried about labelling meat "halal" and more interested in bringing in some kind of general animal welfare rating system which would take into account not only the method of slaughter but the way in which the animals are treated more broadly.

Most halal meat is stunned in any case, but tbh, that's beside the point. People are just using this issue because they feel it is a legitimate way of expressing their hate.

I’m not racist. I don’t want to eat animals that have had their throat cut then been hung upside down to bleed out while still conscious.

It takes 12 minutes for a cow to bleed out while trussed up by its hooves.

There are videos on YouTube from Halal slaughterhouses.

many slaughterhouses now are Muslim owned including the huge Two Sisters one in the North of England.

I’m veggie.

i don’t think individual businesses should be smeared but equally I think halal and kosher methods of slaughter are cruel and if people knew what they involved and knew they were eating animals killed in that way they would be upset.

No, you get called a racist because you only care about animal welfare when it comes to halal slaughter.