To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

This is so daft.

Halal meat is specifically exempt from our welfare laws.

Its perfectly consistent to think animal welfare laws are ( a) adequate or (b) should be higher, whilst also thinking that some animals should not be killed in methods that are lower than the standards required under our UK laws, due to religion based legal exemptions.

why is it racist to give a shit about animal welfare?

This is a good point. If we should not be fussed about eating halal, then the opposite should also be fine.

I have definitely seen the halal debate in the real world, but it is more related to nursery and school meals.

The same 'concerns' about animal welfare cropped up just as antisemitism began heating up in 1930's Germany,

I’m really tired of the word ’racism’ banded about when discussing differing cultural / religious practices.

Halal is a barbaric way to slaughter animals as is Kosher. The meat is also prayed over under a specific god and I don’t want that either. The fact a lot of meat isn’t explicitly labelled is my issue (Waitrose organic have been caught with hidden halal meat).

I am a meat eater but endeavour to find as humane a way to eat meat (yes yes being a veggie is the upmost humane but I’m not doing that). The same as I don’t expect my free range eggs or milk to actually be battery farmed behind the scenes irrespective of someone’s sky fairy.

My issue is informed choice.

No it’s because you have halal, five guys, dominos, subway under the assumption non Muslims are happy to eat it - partly because you can’t say anything for fear of the assumption of being a racist.
You have to really seek kosher food out, it’s not a main stream staple on the high street

Halal is not British culture; I find it abhorrent. I'm vegetarian so not an issue for me but DH certainly doesn't want to eat halal. He doesn't even eat chicken because of the sad life they've had.

I just found out last week that Stocked (frozen food cubes) can not guarantee that their meat is not halal.

What I mean is it’s hard to have this conversation in real life because your immediately labelled a racist. Which limits a constructive debate on it
that’s why there’s not more open debate on it. This thread is proof of that, as people are trying to pick apart comments as some sort of proof that you’re a racist because you won’t eat halal or kosher food.

Germany banned it for animal welfare reasons and then had to back down because of the racism backlash, they did tighten their regulations but non stun is still allowed there.

Exactly.

Do you think people choosing to buy free range meat or free range eggs is "faux concern" too? It's a choice people often make in supermarkets that equally, is not something they can necessarily choose in restaurants or takeaways.

This. Nobody who has a problem with Muslims, is going to be honest, they never are. It is based on racism, pure, and simple.

This is bullshit.

i’m veggie precisely because I am concerned about animal welfare and I strongly disapprove of both halal and kosher methods of slaughter.

if meat were labelled like eggs are then people could make informed decisions.

I’m not Islamophobic to hate animals being killed in a cruel way. I’m an equal opportunities hater of anyone who kills animals in a cruel way.

What on? The flavour thing? It was local pizza and chicken places. It may have been a processed meat I didn’t like, rather than halal. I don’t know, and I stopped using those places because of the flavour of that meat. There are any number of things it could have been, giving that flavour. That’s why I asked about Halal, and whether it affects flavour. I know stressed animals are supposed to give bad meat. But it isn’t something I have personal knowledge or experience- I’m not a farmer, I don’t work in an abattoir.

It stopped being personally relevant years ago, as we eat less processed food, take aways, etc. I try and buy higher welfare meat when I can. I definitely don’t get the cheap family pizza and chicken deal we used to get 😅.
I still don’t like meat feast pizzas as it just reminds me of that flavour.

This is also why people are attracted to Reform and their likes. They are tired of being dismissed as racist for raising often legitimate concerns.

i don’t vote Reform to be clear. I loath them.

I don’t care what colour anyone is, what sky fairy they do or don’t believe in.
I do care passionately about animal welfare and think we can do better.

this thread is exactly why you can’t say it in real life though, because you get lumped in with “a type”.

Probably because there is a massively higher demand for halal meat, enough to make a noticeable difference in the marketplace.

There are only about 270,000 Jews in the UK but there are about 4,000,000 Muslims.

You don’t walk down the street so often and see a kosher restaurant but you often see a halal chicken takeaway. Therefore the problem with inhumane slaughter has become more noticeable with the rise of halal food and also the assumption the at non-halal meat-eaters do not mind eating halal meat. Many do.

Because you have to really try to find kosher meat. My family is actually Jewish. I don’t want to eat kosher either (we don’t). Halal meat is everywhere. Every New Zealand lamb is slaughtered in a halal way.
I eat very little meat now because of this- choosing high welfare/organic. I think the lack of information/choice is appalling, as is the accusation of ‘racism’ just because people want to know what they’re eating and they want the choice.

12 minutes for a conscious cow to bleed out with his head in a drain. You actually think this is acceptable?

This thread is weird.
It's not "phobic" to not want to change your ways only to appease someone else's religion.

Yes, some businesses are trying to make their life simpler, that's the nature of business.
Why can't it be a normal mark - the same as places mark vegan dish or allergens?

Keeping it hidden suggests that there is something wrong with it.

Yes, why should anyone be bothered that an animal is tortured to death 🙄

Actually I mostly eat veggie for precisely the reason it’s difficult to source the meat I would like to eat, but occasionally I go out for dinner and I expect to then be informed if it’s halal.
I don’t see what is Islamophobia about not wanting to eat halal. I am not stopping Muslims from eating halal 🤷🏻‍♀️

They are provided with information. And I am perfectly entitled to voice my opinion thank you

And in the same breath as halal & kosher, do you mention other things at all? Animal welfare across the board & do you mainly single out halal & kosher? Because there’s your answer to why you’re perhaps labelled racist then?

Like barn eggs & battery chickens, you mean? Or are they okay?

I call bullshit on this. But would be interested to hear your view on immigration.