To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

I'm a veggie, but most meat eaters would like stunning ta take place before the slaughter(I know that doesn't always work). To leap to that preference being islamaphobic is a big leap. I've also heard myself that most supermarket meat is halal so "all" can buy it.

There aren't actually exemptions to the method if it's pre-stunned. Under the regulations, meat is either stunned or not stunned under religious exemption. If stunned (majority of halal meat) it needs to employ one of the methods and meet the same minimum standards of stunning as all other meat.

There are other requirements to be considered halal: that the animal must be capable of regaining consciousness, that it must be slaughtered by a Muslim and that a prayer is recited while slaughter is happening.

After reading this thread I've checked the RSPC website and am really shocked. I thought the vast majority of Halal and Kosher meat was stunned in the UK, and that any non stunned meat would be clearly labelled. It looks like 12% of Halal meat and all Kosher meat is killed without being stunned first. That equates to around 26.7 million chickens, 3.1 million sheep, and 35,000 cattle.

I will now be avoiding Halal and Kosher meat as much as possible until it's a legal requirement for non stunned slaughter to be clearly labelled. Not because I'm racist (as I said in my previous post, I have no issue with prayers being said over my food), but because slaughtering an animal whilst conscious isn't something I'm comfortable with.

Edited to add link:

I would like to see all meat labelled.

The stunning for Halal is not always the same as non-Halal and I find that concerning along with the rise in non-stun slaughter.

https://www.farmersguide.co.uk/business/food-drink/industry-reacts-to-claims-about-halal-meat-in-uk-supermarkets/

The OP: this isn't a real issue, i don't care so no-one must care! if people want to complain or find out what they're eating, that is a racist smear campaign of madness

The poll: a rather different story

Rather defensive. No need for obscenities.

If the only difference was a prayer then why do the slaughter houses have to employ Muslims only (could argue discrimination if the prayer is a pre recording anyway), why does a prayer have to be said, why do the stun methods differ etc. It’s not the same or there wouldn’t need to be exceptions for the method.

That is absolute bollocks. Where on earth are you getting your information?! I work for a supermarket. We sell some halal (but no kosher) meat. It is a recoverable stun but the animal has to be unconscious and insensible to pain at the point of death. What that means in practice is that the animal is stunned and then bled within seconds. Which is EXACTLY THE SAME process as all the meat everyone eats. The only difference is that the meat is prayed over - often this is a recording rather than in person.

Yes sounds good.

So surely best to label as halal pre-stunned or halal not stunned?

Best of all worlds?

It's ridiculous to object to a business seeking to cater to the needs of their customers. Isn't that what businesses are supposed to do?!

There is a bit more to that story than you are making out. This is the restaurant owner. I have sensitive imaged as it is offensive.

Halal meat (and kosher meat) is exempt from the stunning requirement only - not other welfare laws. And most Halal meat is stunned in any case.

If you are satisfied that our existing animal welfare standards are good enough, then you clearly don't care that much about animal welfare. If you do care about animal welfare, then you will care about much more than what happens to them at the moment of their death.

That doesn’t provide enough information. Some people will want to buy halal so put that. And those who don’t want to can choose accordingly.

The Spudbros thing is terrible.

People who object to a business staying open voluntarily to serve Muslim customers ending their fast have to be the lowest of the low.

The fast breaks at 5.55 om, hardly very late!

There are three main stun methods, including electrical, allowable.

But fair enough that you're concerned there is a higher chance of them regaining consciousness (no slaughter method is perfectly carried out all the time.)

I get you. I’m a veggie, but my family eat meat, I cook for them. I won’t buy or cook pork or lamb but I will buy and cook free range chicken. I know it seems a bit mad, all these animals are beautiful, sentient creatures who would prefer not to be eaten, but like you, that’s my stance and what I’m (semi) comfortable with.

That's very sad. Is it true?

Where was this?

Meanwhile a Sikh owned restaurant has been vandalised for not selling halal.

Absolutely.

I'm an atheist who eats meat. I don't care what's halal and what isn't.

Also haven't seen any smear campaigns.

Surely people have better things to worry about?

Yep. It clearly matters to some consumers, the labelling needs to catch up.

My issue is that there is the possibility they could become conscious (vs standard stun) and everything I’ve read states that the stun we use as British standard is haram.

We agree. I'd also like the 12% or so of halal meat that isn't pre-stunned to be banned, an if not banned then appropriately labelled so I can avoid it.

I am unbothered by prayers being said near the animal during slaughter, so I don't feel the same need to avoid pre-stunned halal meat.

Labelling it as "halal" doesn't provide the clarity to differentiate between the two.

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Edit - based on the later messages, I don't consider reacting to the post I quoted that relevant anymore.