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To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

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nc0007 · 09/03/2026 06:52

Well it’s not really a debate, is it? You either don’t care, or you’re absolutely seething because your meat may or may not be halal. But irrespectively of what you think about this, AIBU to think that people ‘outing’ businesses on social media about what meat they use and encouraging hundreds of people to smear them not just in posts but reviews to tank their ratings is just crazy?

Hundreds of people commenting ‘I’ve just left them a bad review on google’ because a (British owned baked potato) business extended their trading hours to their Muslim customers? People who have never bought anything from them in their life, probably geographically will never go there. Actively trying to sabotage a business because you think you’re what - some sort of activist?

And don’t get me started on the posts where people reach out to these poor customer service reps in supermarkets to ask them if the meat they sell is halal because of this mad narrative that ‘80% of supermarket meat is halal’ - where has this nonsense come from?!?! 😂 People screenshotting and commenting about how ‘Clare from Lidl’ is avoiding the question when she probably doesn’t have a scooby and the answer probably isn’t a straight yes or no either!

Madness. Utter madness. People treating this like it’s a full time job.

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BunfightBetty · 12/03/2026 14:32

nomas · 12/03/2026 14:20

Yes, by Animal Rights charities.

Not racists who leave 1 star reviews for businesses serving halal meat or who stay open for Ramadam hours.

Of course the charities do this, thankfully, and there are also consumers who put their weight behind the campaigning and try to make ethical choices when they buy.

The people leaving 1 star reviews for Spud Bros because they cater for Muslims breaking their fast are undoubtedly racists looking to stir up hatred, and that is quite reprehensible.

In addition to that, some people avoid Halal and Kosher meat as part of a wider attempt to eat more ethically. Those people are not racist and shouldn't be lumped into the same category.

KitWyn · 12/03/2026 14:31

EasternStandard · 12/03/2026 13:51

It’s not vegan or compulsory halal. People can choose what they consume. Even some posters who talk about animal welfare consume dairy.

But, many British people want to have the choice to vote with their feet and wallets.

Restaurants, fast food places, butchers and supermarkets shouldn't be attacked or harassed because of non-stun slaughtered meat. If that happens the police and CPS should be involved.

But if customers want to go elsewhere on moral grounds and to not eat non-stun meat, that, we should enable with mandatory labelling.

We should always support greater factual information being given to the public on food production. Why hide the meat slaughter method, unless you know non-stun is shameful and cruel?

Be honest. If an animal that you loved had the choice of being euthanised by:

  • bolt to the brain, death near immediate
  • throat cut when conscious, and bleeds out
  • stunned so unconscious, and then throat is cut and bleeds out

How would you rank these in order of preference from best to worst?

Do you really think that your God (or Gods) wants innocent animals to suffer unnecessarily when dying? Why? It makes zero sense.

Plus there is the very important principle of one law for all in the UK. No special pleading for religious exemptions should be permitted. Any remaining should be scrapped as archaic aberrations.

nomas · 12/03/2026 14:20

BunfightBetty · 12/03/2026 14:13

There are campaigns against this as well.

Yes, by Animal Rights charities.

Not racists who leave 1 star reviews for businesses serving halal meat or who stay open for Ramadam hours.

BunfightBetty · 12/03/2026 14:13

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:22

Yes it’s funny how the priority isn’t stopping the maceration of live male chicks. Literally ground to death alive.

There are campaigns against this as well.

EasternStandard · 12/03/2026 13:51

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:22

Yes it’s funny how the priority isn’t stopping the maceration of live male chicks. Literally ground to death alive.

It’s not vegan or compulsory halal. People can choose what they consume. Even some posters who talk about animal welfare consume dairy.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 12/03/2026 13:25

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:22

Yes it’s funny how the priority isn’t stopping the maceration of live male chicks. Literally ground to death alive.

Yes, but as long as it isn't Muslims grinding them to death, that seems to be acceptable.

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:23

Jamba0 · 12/03/2026 09:16

Many concerning issues arise when considering the Islamic concept of halal. Halal is an Arabic term meaning permissible. Therefore, halal refers to practices that Muslims are allowed to partake in, according to Islamic theology and law.

In short, halal slaughter traditionally requires an animal to be killed through a specific method (the slitting of the animal’s throat while Islamic prayers are recited) that typically DOES NOT involve the pre-stunning of the animal:

"The name of Allah must be mentioned during the slaughter, and the animal must be bled completely. After the animal is slaughtered, the meat is inspected to ensure that it is free of defects. If it is found to be clean and wholesome, it is then considered halal."

The Islamic prayers must be imbibed into the meat to make it suitable offering for Allah, therefore all halal meat would contain practices and prayers that would be offensive or unacceptable for people of other faiths; therefore, supermarkets cannot possibly focus on all meat being halal. Critics argue that slaughter without stunning is inhumane, raising concerns among animal welfare advocates. Furthermore, supporting halal butcheries and Islamic-owned businesses inevitably leads to the further spread of certain troublesome Islamic practices such as those mentioned above.

Many animals killed using ritual slaughter practices are fully conscious when their throats are cut. Any fully conscious animal is absolutely and understandably terrified when a chain is shackled to their leg and they’re hoisted into the air upside down. Birds thrash wildly in panic and excruciating pain, since their legs can break or be pulled out of their sockets under their own bodyweight. Research shows that when cattle and sheep are killed without stunning, it can take several unimaginably agonising minutes for them to lose consciousness after their throats are slit. The reason they can't be stunned in Islamic halal practices is the Islamic legal requirement that argue that stunned animals do not bleed out in exactly the same way as non-stunned animals.

See graphic video documenting halal slaughterhouse practices.

PETAUK considers halal just animal cruelty by another name:

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/ritual-slaughter/

Instead of doing a copy and paste or a Chat GPT, maybe apologise for your lie that halal abattoirs call for the killing of people.

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:22

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 12/03/2026 00:25

You think all non-halal slaughter is humane?

Yes it’s funny how the priority isn’t stopping the maceration of live male chicks. Literally ground to death alive.

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:18

mushypetits · 12/03/2026 10:50

Please explain what the "smear campaign against halal meat" is. I mean, we all know what halal meat/slaughter is. How can it be "smeared" in any way. @twentyeightfishinthepond

She is talking about the fact that SpudBros are being given 1 star reviews on Google by malicious people angry that SpudBros is opening until later each night to cater to Muslims fasting during Ramadan and also serving halal food because SpudBros said their takings suffer due to Ramadam because Muslims are fasting and don’t buy lunch.

The people giving 1star reviews are absolute vermin.

nomas · 12/03/2026 13:15

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:26

Yes, thank you for your post.

This bit stands out for me: 'non-stunned' meat is cheaper and therefore supermarkets and food outlets can purchase that cheaper meat without ever declaring it to the customer... Non-stunned produce is being used by 17 local councils in schools, the majority of which are not Islamic faith schools, without parents or children having the first idea about it.'

It's the encroachment of non-stunned halal into mainstream meat consumption which is the biggest worry. The confusion around the issue is enabling this.

Non-stunned isn’t cheaper. Go into any supermarket and compare the prices of the supermarket non-halal meat with the halal meat.

Halal is always more expensive.

notnorman · 12/03/2026 13:10

Jamba0 · 12/03/2026 09:25

For all of you who trivialise and find nothing wrong with halal, including the OP, let me know how you justify trivialising this criminality.

A secret video camera planted by an animal rights' activist reveals the true horrors of what happened inside that abattoir in a ­Warwickshire village. A report by university academics who viewed the film last year said 'intense pain and distress' was inflicted on hundreds of lambs as they were hurled into doors, walls, and floors, before being killed in a terrible way.

Activist Joey Carbstrong, who made the undercover film, has insisted it was made to highlight animal cruelty, rather than ­stigmatise Islam. He acted after complaints from villagers about the smell coming from the abattoir, and the distressing cries made by the 1,000 animals arriving by lorry at the premises every week.

Of the one billion farm animals killed in England and Wales ­during 2024, approximately one in five – or just over 200million – were killed by halal methods. This ­represents 20 per cent of the total, even though the Muslim ­population in England and Wales is nearer 7 per cent. Meaning, non-muslims are pushed to eat halal meat.

The majority of halal slaughterhouses slit the throats, while a small number do stun the animals – although critics claim the ­slaughtermen use a lower voltage than that employed in regular stunning, to ensure the animal is not dead before its throat is cut (in other words, they only pretend to stun the animals).
The critics maintain that this means the animals can regain full ­consciousness after 20 seconds, then struggle and feel pain for many minutes while they are slaughtered.

There are also claims that halal meat is being sold in super­markets without adequate ­labelling as to the method of slaughter. One social media ­commentator complained about his experience when he went to his local High Street supermarket this week to buy some chicken: 'It had a red Union Jack on it ­(meaning it was reared in ­Britain), and had a Red Tractor (animal welfare) certification on the ­package. But when I checked the code it turned out to be halal.'

Conservative MP Esther McVey explained in House of Commons in February 2026 why the meat was so prevalent: 'non-stunned' meat is cheaper and therefore, 'supermarkets and food outlets can purchase that cheaper meat without ever declaring it to the customer... Non-stunned produce is being used by 17 local councils in schools, the majority of which are not Islamic faith schools, without parents or children having the first idea about it.'

She has called for a law to label halal and kosher meat so people can decide not to eat it, adding: 'Individuals concerned about animal welfare would want to know if an animal had been stunned prior to slaughter.'

Whether a dying animal is stunned or not, an Islamic prayer is said over the dying creature by the slaughterman in line with the ­strictures of the Koran.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15593083/halal-slaughter-animals-eating-SUE-REID.html

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Thank you for this. I hope more people read it. And those who want to suggest we are racist because we find it appalling, think again.

notnorman · 12/03/2026 13:09

HappyClapper100 · 12/03/2026 08:50

kosher meat isnt stunned at all. They then take the parts that are not considered kosher and sell it as "meat" on the open market.

Yes and I said earlier you can include kosher in this discussion too.
(I am Jewish and I don’t want to eat kosher nor halal meat).

mushypetits · 12/03/2026 12:09

twentyeightfishinthepond · 12/03/2026 10:54

No. People are aware what i
mean. I’m sick of people like you, too, popping up all over the place and demanding further explanation as a means of rehearsing further debate.

@twentyeightfishinthepond Are you okay? Was that answer to me?

Estersouthwester · 12/03/2026 11:34

HappyClapper100 · 12/03/2026 10:08

Why has nobody secretly filmed in a kosher abbatoir given that we know no animals are stunned?

PETA have and it can be seen on-line, just google "Kosher Slaughter".
You will have to prove your age to view it BTW.

twentyeightfishinthepond · 12/03/2026 10:54

No. People are aware what i
mean. I’m sick of people like you, too, popping up all over the place and demanding further explanation as a means of rehearsing further debate.

mushypetits · 12/03/2026 10:50

twentyeightfishinthepond · 12/03/2026 10:43

Im disgusted by the smear campaign against halal meat. I’m disgusted by the Palestine war. I’m disgusted by the shocking denials of the holocaust by the far right in the USA, which I was hearing about on the radio yesterday. So many dodgy campaigns, with so many hidden motives. So much has changed in the last decade.

Please explain what the "smear campaign against halal meat" is. I mean, we all know what halal meat/slaughter is. How can it be "smeared" in any way. @twentyeightfishinthepond

twentyeightfishinthepond · 12/03/2026 10:43

Im disgusted by the smear campaign against halal meat. I’m disgusted by the Palestine war. I’m disgusted by the shocking denials of the holocaust by the far right in the USA, which I was hearing about on the radio yesterday. So many dodgy campaigns, with so many hidden motives. So much has changed in the last decade.

Poetnojo · 12/03/2026 10:33

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:26

Yes, thank you for your post.

This bit stands out for me: 'non-stunned' meat is cheaper and therefore supermarkets and food outlets can purchase that cheaper meat without ever declaring it to the customer... Non-stunned produce is being used by 17 local councils in schools, the majority of which are not Islamic faith schools, without parents or children having the first idea about it.'

It's the encroachment of non-stunned halal into mainstream meat consumption which is the biggest worry. The confusion around the issue is enabling this.

Ah well as long as we are all blissfully oblivious to it then that's ok right?
(Tongue in cheek)

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:29

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 09:17

The parts of animals that are not considered to be kosher are sold on the general meat market.

And that is also wrong.

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:26

Jamba0 · 12/03/2026 09:25

For all of you who trivialise and find nothing wrong with halal, including the OP, let me know how you justify trivialising this criminality.

A secret video camera planted by an animal rights' activist reveals the true horrors of what happened inside that abattoir in a ­Warwickshire village. A report by university academics who viewed the film last year said 'intense pain and distress' was inflicted on hundreds of lambs as they were hurled into doors, walls, and floors, before being killed in a terrible way.

Activist Joey Carbstrong, who made the undercover film, has insisted it was made to highlight animal cruelty, rather than ­stigmatise Islam. He acted after complaints from villagers about the smell coming from the abattoir, and the distressing cries made by the 1,000 animals arriving by lorry at the premises every week.

Of the one billion farm animals killed in England and Wales ­during 2024, approximately one in five – or just over 200million – were killed by halal methods. This ­represents 20 per cent of the total, even though the Muslim ­population in England and Wales is nearer 7 per cent. Meaning, non-muslims are pushed to eat halal meat.

The majority of halal slaughterhouses slit the throats, while a small number do stun the animals – although critics claim the ­slaughtermen use a lower voltage than that employed in regular stunning, to ensure the animal is not dead before its throat is cut (in other words, they only pretend to stun the animals).
The critics maintain that this means the animals can regain full ­consciousness after 20 seconds, then struggle and feel pain for many minutes while they are slaughtered.

There are also claims that halal meat is being sold in super­markets without adequate ­labelling as to the method of slaughter. One social media ­commentator complained about his experience when he went to his local High Street supermarket this week to buy some chicken: 'It had a red Union Jack on it ­(meaning it was reared in ­Britain), and had a Red Tractor (animal welfare) certification on the ­package. But when I checked the code it turned out to be halal.'

Conservative MP Esther McVey explained in House of Commons in February 2026 why the meat was so prevalent: 'non-stunned' meat is cheaper and therefore, 'supermarkets and food outlets can purchase that cheaper meat without ever declaring it to the customer... Non-stunned produce is being used by 17 local councils in schools, the majority of which are not Islamic faith schools, without parents or children having the first idea about it.'

She has called for a law to label halal and kosher meat so people can decide not to eat it, adding: 'Individuals concerned about animal welfare would want to know if an animal had been stunned prior to slaughter.'

Whether a dying animal is stunned or not, an Islamic prayer is said over the dying creature by the slaughterman in line with the ­strictures of the Koran.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15593083/halal-slaughter-animals-eating-SUE-REID.html

Edited

Yes, thank you for your post.

This bit stands out for me: 'non-stunned' meat is cheaper and therefore supermarkets and food outlets can purchase that cheaper meat without ever declaring it to the customer... Non-stunned produce is being used by 17 local councils in schools, the majority of which are not Islamic faith schools, without parents or children having the first idea about it.'

It's the encroachment of non-stunned halal into mainstream meat consumption which is the biggest worry. The confusion around the issue is enabling this.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 12/03/2026 10:23

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:09

If that is the case why does the Halal Monitoring Committee say on its website that only non-stunned meat counts as halal? It's the lack of clarity that increases suspicion of the whole industry.

And as this is a growing industry, with public sector bodies like schools adopting halal as standard, to be served to all their students, not just the Muslims, this is an important issue.

Because that is just one certifying body that applies a particular interpretation of Islam which isn't shared by all Muslims?

88% of halal meat in the UK is stunned.

Muslims are not a single monolith and they have different views within their own communities.

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:16

HappyClapper100 · 12/03/2026 10:08

Why has nobody secretly filmed in a kosher abbatoir given that we know no animals are stunned?

They should. I imagine a similar picture would emerge as the halal abbatoirs.

5MinuteArgument · 12/03/2026 10:09

AnotherHormonalWoman · 10/03/2026 21:20

It's a widely reported statistic. Here's a Q&A on UK Parliament:

Written questions and answers - Written questions, answers and statements - UK Parliament

There is debate in the Muslim community over if stunned animals count as Halal, as you have seen. When I last looked into this some 15 years ago, most people who wanted to eat Halal in the UK were happy to eat stunned animals who had the prayer said over them.

There is some commentary online that that is changing, but from recent UK Slaughterhouse statistics, the production %s seem stable. I don't know, of the number of people who eat Halal, how many are eating UK or imported meat, compared with non-Halal meat eaters in the UK. That would be an interesting statistic to see.

Edited

If that is the case why does the Halal Monitoring Committee say on its website that only non-stunned meat counts as halal? It's the lack of clarity that increases suspicion of the whole industry.

And as this is a growing industry, with public sector bodies like schools adopting halal as standard, to be served to all their students, not just the Muslims, this is an important issue.

HappyClapper100 · 12/03/2026 10:08

Why has nobody secretly filmed in a kosher abbatoir given that we know no animals are stunned?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 12/03/2026 09:53

Edndns · 12/03/2026 09:51

Makes me think all meat is cruel now.

Well, I think that's the reality.