To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

No, I'm quoting the thing that many of these people are explicitly saying they want - but simply labelling it "halal" doesn't achieve their stated goals of wanting to know about welfare standards, so it appears disingenuous.

Incidentally, when they're written down, they're not air quotes. Just quotation/quote marks (depending on your country.) I've used them the standard way, to demonstrate the exact words someone has said or written, rather than to denote irony.

You get that already in some supermarkets - Waitrose for example. That was probably largely in response to what their customers wanted, and were prepared to pay for meat where the animals were raised under higher welfare.

Maybe all supermarkets should do the same. That's a whole different debate though.

www.waitrose.com/ecom/content/sustainability/animal-welfare

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If muslim girls want to cover their hair as its part of their faith, im pretty sure no one died. Nuns cover their hair. Mother Mary in all her pictures and statues covers her hair!

Ok great, I don’t think people will object.

Does this include clear halal labelling on meat sold or in places such as schools?

Because if you want that too then it looks like everyone agrees pretty much.

Yes, and I support better food labelling as outlined in my previous posts.

My issue is with the people who only seem to care about animal welfare when they perceive that Muslims are responsible for any cruelty, and are happy to turn a blind eye to it the rest of the time.

I've already said, I have no issue with labelling, but I would support a more comprehensive labelling system which also addresses the broader aspects of animal welfare. A grading system along the lines of the food hygiene bandings would be good. Then people who actually care about animal welfare could make properly informed choices.

Lot of people protest about that too.

Lots of people won't buy battery farmed eggs for example and won't buy meat from outside the UK because they don't that even minimum standards have been met re animal welfare. Some people only buy free range meat, some people won't buy from supermarkets at all but only from farm shops.

People have a wide range of opinions and what they personally want from the food they buy. What is beginning to concern consumers now is that they would like more food labelling. They already demanded food labelling that wasn't present years ago. Now some are saying they would like food to be labelled as halal or kosher in addition to compulsory labels stating which meat and eggs are free range or organic.

Why the air quotes? Do you think halal doesn’t exist?

Clear labelling means customers who do want to buy it can, why ignore that?

Of course white people can be Muslim. But the majority of Muslims aren't.

We can call it Islamophobia if you prefer, but in most cases, that is just a proxy for racism in any case.

Or we could just call it all bigotry if that's easier?

Halal means permissible by God.
Halal slaughter is saying Bismillah (in the name of Allah. Allah in Arabic is God. Some Muslim owned slaughter houses have the quran being prayed above on speakers as do some other Muslim businesses like market stalls and barber shops.

And the muslim/Islamic way to slaughter animals is a quick slit to the throat as its said this is the quick and least painful way to die. Animals must also not see the blade, be cut in front of other animals or tied up and blindfolded. The quran also says animals must be treated with kindness.

Halal slaughter if done correctly should take less than 20 seconds. Yes, they will bleed out, as all animals will lose their bloods in slaughter. You wouldn't go to sainsbury and buy a pack of chicken breast full of blood. Naturally the blood drains out to then be able to cut the meat up properly.

Hope that helps.

And they are totally focused on "halal labelling" even when they know that most halal meat is produced to the exact same welfare regulations as non-halal meat, and still pretend their concerns are about welfare.

A white person can be Muslim, so no oys not racism

It’s just information and clarity. People who do want to buy halal want it too. Those who don’t are asking to be informed.

A lot of it very clearly is racism/Islamophobia.

What other explanation is there for the fact that many people only appear to give a shit about animal welfare when it is their perception that Muslims are responsible for animal cruelty. Where are all those people when white British meat producers are treating animals like shit?

Sorry, can you explain what you mean by specific God. Do you think the muslim God is different to Christian God?

No it's not racism or xenophobia.

Stop being so absurd.

No, there are two things going on.

A completely reasonable debate about animal welfare / clear labelling and info and the role of religion , any religion

And

Halal meat as weaponised by far right groups across social media where the intent IS racist / xenophobic

They are different.

I agree that asking a staff member to clarify on the shop floor is not fair on that staff member, but contacting head office/ manager asking for clarity and clearer labelling is absolutely the right thing to do.
Clearer labelling is what people are asking for; it is pretty angering to find out that animal welfare standards have been dropped by stealth. It shouldn't be difficult for small businesses to clarify whether their meat is religiously slaughtered or not, it could be sorted in one day. Put the info at the point of sale so consumers can decide what to do with that information.

Yes. I'm polish, we do it.

Yes, I think it's phobic to believe that Muslims are somehow taking over the UK, which is the underlying narrative. There is just no evidence to back that up.

Yes, I watched a very sad video today by peta that baby calves dragged away for their meat literally after birth!!!!! And the mother cow was charging down the farm road after its baby. Then stopped and let out a sad moan. Was very sad and now presumably ahe will be used for her milk immediately.

Would you say it is phobic to address this, or have concerns about it?

Eating the whole animal? Would you like to eat the pigs brains?

The labelling is so anyone can make an informed choice. Whether they want halal or not.

No, they really don't.

If people actually cared about animal welfare, the outrage would be focused on how animals are treated throughout their lives, and not merely about what happens at the moment of their deaths.