To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

It's wrong to say people concerned about halal and kosher slaughter are only motivated by racism. Some halal meat is not stunned and all kosher meat is not stunned. This is a legitimate cause for concern. From the RSPCA website:

"We believe that all animals should be stunned before slaughter. Evidence shows that slaughter without pre-stunning can cause unneeded suffering.

We oppose the slaughter of any animal without first ensuring it's unable to feel pain and distress.

We're pressing for law changes to improve animal welfare at slaughter. Until this happens, we propose:

UK Jewish and Muslim communities review their slaughter practices.

Meat produced from animals not stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled to allow consumer choice."

Do you include Kosher in that or just Halal - does that mean you think all Jewish people should be vegetarian or each meat which is against their beliefs?

Quite

Almost 90% of Halal meat is pre-stunned and thus is absolutely no different to non-Halal meat. Around 20% of meat is Halal which means around 3% of meat is non-stunned Halal.

The chances are that any non-halal specific retailer is selling pre-stunned meat as the non-stunned meat is more expensive.

Unlike Halal all Kosher meat is non-stunned, although Kosher is a much smaller proportion of the meat market, however, around half of the meat produced for the Kosher market is rejected and sold on the mainstream market.

I do agree that the meat should be labelled, but I would want anything labelled Halal to differentiate between stunned and non-stunned and similarly, I would want Kosher to be clearly labelled.

Anyone who then avoided stunned Halal couldn't argue animal welfare and could be called out for the clear bigot's they are - particularly if they are not religious (like over 50% of the country)

Agree. I don’t eat meat, but I wouldn’t buy halal or kosher if was labelled as such.
I buy free range chicken and organic pork and beef/lamb etc as I hope they have been properly stunned. Not a recoverable stun.
Otherwise I just buy free range pork. The label should say, then consumers can have choice. I support‘Compassion in world farming’.

Finch bakery had this too when they said their bakes are halal
absolute uproar. What it means is they use food colouring minus insects and marshmallows without gelatine but nobody bothered actually reading it

If pp think it’s important that halal is available due to beliefs, then the inverse is also the case people can avoid halal as it doesn’t work with their beliefs.

Both benefit from being informed by clear labelling.

And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you" (Leviticus 11:7-8; also Deuteronomy 14:8)
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If im a donut then youre a croissant!

Yes, I agree. It should be labelled so that people can make an informed choice. Non-stunned meat should be banned.

Eh????

You were the one who said eating the whole animal is fine. So am just asking out of curiosity?

Bit of a generalisation, don't you think?

People are entitled to choose what they eat based on full information. As a veggie, don't you want to know if there are meat products in your food? To assume 'most people' who chooses not to eat Halal meat are racists is completely unfounded.

Issue is almost all meat is halal killed.

Only those who want to promote it need certification.

Hence why people want it labelled/banned.

Why should a Christian eat meat that's been religiously killed and prayed upon.

The point is that any restaurant or other place that serves meat should label their products if they are halal or kosher. That way, anyone who does not want to eat halal or kosher meat, can avoid it. At the moment, that is not the case.

Absolutely. Halal or not, the meat and dairy industries inflict immense suffering on animals. Even supposedly free range is often meaningless- chickens living a miserable existence in a space the size of an a4 piece of paper. All methods of killing are horrendous, particularly the co2 method used to gas pigs. Britain is a nation of animal lovers as long as it's their pets.

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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18FExoqAa1/ this is also what people protest

Mark 7:19.

Doughnut

The potato shop, fine.
Restaurants and cafes in Europe selling halal meat only is ridiculous and should be out there for customers to decide.
Changing huge parts of accommodate a very small section of society is wrong.
Serve both options. I am a vegetarian so I don’t eat meat.

Why are you now introducing genitals?

You are a racist.

Sorry, when you say eating the whole animal, is it normal in Poland to also eat everything including private parts and liver etc. That would be considered a meal/delicacy?

Fantastic!!!! Are you christian as well, leviticus in the bible says dont eat pork and dont even go near it!

Aren't you being a bit racist here for saying all Jewish people are white?!

Isn't it funny how there's always someone who feels the need to pit Jews against Muslims, or vice versa, like this?

You seem to be defending halal and implying people are islamophobic for being against halal slaughter while simultaneously accusing Jewish people of always crying wolf about anti-Semitism. Do you not see the hypocrisy in your posts?

To be fair, you probably don't see it. Because you don't want to. Too busy pitting us against each other to see why kind of sense.

I don't think that's sinister. It's not really possible to be unclear about kosher meat. It will always be labelled as kosher, it costs more and to remain kosher it needs to be prepared in a kosher kitchen (which again, costs more).

Possibly because we live in areas where Kosher isn’t commonly available in the supermarkets or shops, but there is a sizeable muslim community so halal is?

I was raised in a muslim [step/adoptive] family and was oblivious to halal meat until recently as it simply wasn’t discussed. By my dad has become stricter as he has got older and brags about everything at the BBQ being halal. I refuse to eat it and would prefer the veggie options as a result. Both my sisters are veggie/pescatarian, so I now understand why.

Now that I understand that Kosher meat is killed the same way, I shan’t be eating/buying that either if I see it on the menu when I visit London. Not racist, just lack of awareness until now.

I disagree on last part even if in your instance you say it wasn’t that. In the same way caps can be taken as shouting.

People should just say they want halal labelling for clarity and to be informed, it’s enough of a reason, and labelling can catch up with consumer opinion.